All motor or build for Procharger?

JeromeS13 · 05-19-2017, 12:39 PM

So, I'm weighing which direction I want to go with my 1LE... On one hand, I would like to stay NA, but I think I'll be limited to around 530-550 RWHP. On the other hand, if I have the motor built for a Procharger setup, those limits are much, much higher. I prefer the Procharger because of the air-to-air intercooler options, which is better suited for road course use.

I've been eyeing the long blocks from Texas Speed. Looks like I can get a fully built 376 or 416 CID long block for less than $11K. That would allow me to swap over all the accessories, and recoup some of the cost by selling my OEM long block... That would result in less down time, and less hassle overall, as I like to do as much work as I can, except I don't trust myself with the tedious, delicate work of building a motor.

DenverTaco07 · 05-19-2017, 01:03 PM

If you are tracking or plan to track a lot, then either leave it alone or do a na package like lingenfelter.

If mostly just having some street fun with a few track days here and there, go procharger / whipple / vortech etc...just do the bolt on and leave motor alone, unless you want to go big power?

JeromeS13 · 05-19-2017, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

If you are tracking or plan to track a lot, then either leave it alone or do a na package like lingenfelter.

If mostly just having some street fun with a few track days here and there, go procharger / whipple / vortech etc...just do the bolt on and leave motor alone, unless you want to go big power?

I think in the long run, I'll eventually want more and more power. That's why I'm trying to start with a solid foundation that will support my end goal.

I don't want to install a supercharger with the stock pistons. Seems like that's the weak point, especially if you're in boost for extended periods of time (which I will be).

FNxR3DNECK · 05-19-2017, 01:06 PM

I say go N/A!! That's what I'm planning later on, but I also only plan on going Heads and cam and supporting mods to get me to around 500-550 rwhp, I think that's plenty. But if you want go all out with a fully built motor I still say stay N/A!

DenverTaco07 · 05-19-2017, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JeromeS13

I think in the long run, I'll eventually want more and more power. That's why I'm trying to start with a solid foundation that will support my end goal.

I don't want to install a supercharger with the stock pistons. Seems like that's the weak point, especially if you're in boost for extended periods of time (which I will be).

I think there is a company doing a drop in forged kit..., then add your s/c...then go from there.

DenverTaco07 · 05-19-2017, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FNxR3DNECK

I say go N/A!! That's what I'm planning later on, but I also only plan on going Heads and cam and supporting mods to get me to around 500-550 rwhp, I think that's plenty. But if you want go all out with a fully built motor I still say stay N/A!

I think most 1LE guys would agree, cuz it's a track car...but then ZL1 / ZL1 1LE.

JeromeS13 · 05-19-2017, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

I think there is a company doing a drop in forged kit..., then add your s/c...then go from there.

If I'm going to pay the labor to have pistons installed, I may as well do heads and a cam while I'm at it, which is why I'm contemplating the long block to begin with.

Egon · 05-19-2017, 01:44 PM

You still haven't told us what your planning on using the car for. Are you just going to DD it, are you going to take it to the track for track days or autocross? Are you going to take it to the drag strip? Without some more information from you all anyone else is telling you here is what they would do to their car, or what their preferences are.

Jastone · 05-19-2017, 01:48 PM

Road course or auto cross I'd stay N/A. My Trans Am is FI with a D-1SC and even with the linear torque curve of a centrifugal blower the power doesn't come in as smooth as a good N/A built motor. When boost comes on at 2400rpm it's like a sledge hitting you in the back.

I know the ZL1/1le and the Z06 are FI, I would imagine they are smoother with the torque curve though I have never driven one before. If you are really contemplating FI, look into the power curves of all the possible manufacturers, also the different ways of producing / regulating boost. There are some guys I know on the LS1 tech FI boards that ,with some success, have installed electric boost controllers and even setup for boost by rpm. They install a waste gate and spin the blower as hard as they can and use the controller to give them optimal boost for conditions.

Ultimately though 600whp is useless if the car loses balance or can't put the power to the ground efficiently.

TransAmx2 · 05-19-2017, 01:51 PM

Another option (if you want a solid foundation) is you could buy a LT4 crate motor for around $13,200 and have the solid foundation and supercharger, sell the LT1 to recoup some of the $ and basically follow the ZL1 parts list to make all the cooling systems work.
http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Perf...FYQbgQodq5wOCw

Casalino · 05-19-2017, 01:51 PM

no procharger!! The beauty of the 1LE is the fact that it is naturally aspirated. A dying breed in today's world. Nothing beats the sound of something naturally aspirated. Compare the sound of the old air cooled 911's to the turbo's today. But besides the sound and satisfaction of having a n/a motor. Your reliability won't be hindered from a supercharger or turbo. N/A would be a ten times better option for track use or just high performance use. More linear powerband easier to control. That's why i don't have a zl1. I cant imagine trying to handle 650 horse around a turn. 500-550 to the wheels all motor is my goal once the warranty is over. The stock power is plenty for me for track use. But I just want the nastiest n/a v8. Sick sound and power everywhere. Don't go the easy way out for power. If you want a 1LE with a procharger, that's basically just a ZL1. Keep the 1LE special just like Z28.

Casalino · 05-19-2017, 01:57 PM

And if you're going to butcher a 1LE and put forced induction, you should be doing it to a 1SS. And don't be those mustang guys and put a procharger. It's just a belt driven turbo. If you're gonna do it, put a damn blower on that bad boy. Don't be a mustang guy

Jastone · 05-19-2017, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Casalino

And if you're going to butcher a 1LE and put forced induction, you should be doing it to a 1SS. And don't be those mustang guys and put a procharger. It's just a belt driven turbo. If you're gonna do it, put a damn blower on that bad boy. Don't be a mustang guy

That belt driven turbo is one one the most efficient designs for blowers, and yes it's still a blower. What constitutes a "blower" to you? A big chunk of heat soaking aluminum sitting on top a set heads? I agree FI is for straights, leave the 1le alone.

Casalino · 05-19-2017, 02:06 PM

Yea i agree its efficient. I guess its just my slang terms for superchargers. But between me and my friends, a blower is the the big hunk of metal on the engine that screams and whines. Not a procharger. Those are not welcome in my fantasy builds lol. But when the time comes and my warranty is over, i will do this car the right way. Like i said, do that stuff to an SS. But leave the 1LE n/a. That's what makes it so special, and i think more preferred than a ZL1.

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05-19-2017, 12:39 PM	#1
JeromeS13 Drives: 2017 1SS/1LE Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: FL Panhandle Posts: 1,559	All motor or build for Procharger? So, I'm weighing which direction I want to go with my 1LE... On one hand, I would like to stay NA, but I think I'll be limited to around 530-550 RWHP. On the other hand, if I have the motor built for a Procharger setup, those limits are much, much higher. I prefer the Procharger because of the air-to-air intercooler options, which is better suited for road course use. I've been eyeing the long blocks from Texas Speed. Looks like I can get a fully built 376 or 416 CID long block for less than $11K. That would allow me to swap over all the accessories, and recoup some of the cost by selling my OEM long block... That would result in less down time, and less hassle overall, as I like to do as much work as I can, except I don't trust myself with the tedious, delicate work of building a motor.

05-19-2017, 01:03 PM	#2
DenverTaco07 Drives: 2017 SS 1LE, 2017 Volt, 2013 Pilot Join Date: May 2014 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,274	If you are tracking or plan to track a lot, then either leave it alone or do a na package like lingenfelter. If mostly just having some street fun with a few track days here and there, go procharger / whipple / vortech etc...just do the bolt on and leave motor alone, unless you want to go big power? __________________ 2017 SS 1LE \| HBM \| Vortech V3-Si supercharger (620RWHP and 575ft lbs) \| PDR \| Black Bowties \| Illuminated Front Black Bowtie \| Illuminated Door Sills \| Smoked Tails \| vented seats mod

05-19-2017, 01:06 PM	#4
FNxR3DNECK Drives: 2017 SS 1LE Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Monterey, CA Posts: 2,474	I say go N/A!! That's what I'm planning later on, but I also only plan on going Heads and cam and supporting mods to get me to around 500-550 rwhp, I think that's plenty. But if you want go all out with a fully built motor I still say stay N/A! __________________ IG: @NC_M1SS1LE

05-19-2017, 01:44 PM	#8
Egon Drives: 2014 2SS/RS 1LE Join Date: May 2013 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 977	You still haven't told us what your planning on using the car for. Are you just going to DD it, are you going to take it to the track for track days or autocross? Are you going to take it to the drag strip? Without some more information from you all anyone else is telling you here is what they would do to their car, or what their preferences are. __________________

05-19-2017, 01:48 PM	#9
Jastone Drives: 98 TA, 10 Sierra, 17 XT5, 17 1le Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Pa Posts: 150	Road course or auto cross I'd stay N/A. My Trans Am is FI with a D-1SC and even with the linear torque curve of a centrifugal blower the power doesn't come in as smooth as a good N/A built motor. When boost comes on at 2400rpm it's like a sledge hitting you in the back. I know the ZL1/1le and the Z06 are FI, I would imagine they are smoother with the torque curve though I have never driven one before. If you are really contemplating FI, look into the power curves of all the possible manufacturers, also the different ways of producing / regulating boost. There are some guys I know on the LS1 tech FI boards that ,with some success, have installed electric boost controllers and even setup for boost by rpm. They install a waste gate and spin the blower as hard as they can and use the controller to give them optimal boost for conditions. Ultimately though 600whp is useless if the car loses balance or can't put the power to the ground efficiently. __________________

05-19-2017, 01:51 PM	#10
TransAmx2 Drives: '98 Pontiac Trans Am Join Date: May 2016 Location: Central Florida Posts: 257	Another option (if you want a solid foundation) is you could buy a LT4 crate motor for around $13,200 and have the solid foundation and supercharger, sell the LT1 to recoup some of the $ and basically follow the ZL1 parts list to make all the cooling systems work. http://www.jegs.com/i/Chevrolet-Perf...FYQbgQodq5wOCw __________________ 2017 1LE Camaro Hopeful 1998 Trans Am M6, Bolt Ons (Daily Driver) 2005 Eddie Bauer Expedition (Family Vehicle) 2007 Z51 Corvette M6 (Salvage Project Car) 1987 Trans Am 350tpi A4 RIP

05-19-2017, 01:51 PM	#11
Casalino Drives: 17' 1LE BLK Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: New York, New York Posts: 443	no procharger!! The beauty of the 1LE is the fact that it is naturally aspirated. A dying breed in today's world. Nothing beats the sound of something naturally aspirated. Compare the sound of the old air cooled 911's to the turbo's today. But besides the sound and satisfaction of having a n/a motor. Your reliability won't be hindered from a supercharger or turbo. N/A would be a ten times better option for track use or just high performance use. More linear powerband easier to control. That's why i don't have a zl1. I cant imagine trying to handle 650 horse around a turn. 500-550 to the wheels all motor is my goal once the warranty is over. The stock power is plenty for me for track use. But I just want the nastiest n/a v8. Sick sound and power everywhere. Don't go the easy way out for power. If you want a 1LE with a procharger, that's basically just a ZL1. Keep the 1LE special just like Z28.

05-19-2017, 01:57 PM	#12
Casalino Drives: 17' 1LE BLK Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: New York, New York Posts: 443	And if you're going to butcher a 1LE and put forced induction, you should be doing it to a 1SS. And don't be those mustang guys and put a procharger. It's just a belt driven turbo. If you're gonna do it, put a damn blower on that bad boy. Don't be a mustang guy

05-19-2017, 02:06 PM	#14
Casalino Drives: 17' 1LE BLK Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: New York, New York Posts: 443	Yea i agree its efficient. I guess its just my slang terms for superchargers. But between me and my friends, a blower is the the big hunk of metal on the engine that screams and whines. Not a procharger. Those are not welcome in my fantasy builds lol. But when the time comes and my warranty is over, i will do this car the right way. Like i said, do that stuff to an SS. But leave the 1LE n/a. That's what makes it so special, and i think more preferred than a ZL1.

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