[radz28]

I forgot to add (and this is NOT to add fuel to any fire) but there is no cutting the hood on ZL1s with the Maggie. This is not the ZL1 Section, but I add that only for specificity.

Although I don't need port injection (port'), if there was a downside to the Maggie, it's that you might need port' after a certain point. There's a new kit hitting the market to address this issue for Maggies, so this might be a good solution for those that need more fuel with Maggies.

[laynlo15]

One is coming from toohighpsi. So if you ever do you'll have that option

[Gr3m27]

I'm digging the feedback so far and the Magnusson seems to be the PD of choice so far.

I was leaning towards the Edlebrock for my setup but looking at it in pictures it seems to barley fit under the hood of an SS. Also, I have the GM strut brace and was hoping to keep it. Can anyone tell me if the brace will work with the Magnusson 2300 or 2650? From the pictures that I have seen out there it looks like there is a lot more clearance with it under the hood.

Also, if you have installed any other these, which ones do you find are the better installs to do? The one ProCharger that I have done had really good instructions but was a little frustrating at times to make it work. Plus the tune that came with it was terrible.

[laynlo15]

The strut brace will not clear the normal Camaro Kit. It may clear the Corvette lid but the taller lid comes with the Camaro. The 2650 is shorter then the 2300 but I don't know if it will clear or not. Its more likely to since its the same height as the Corvette 2650.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by Gr3m27

I'm digging the feedback so far and the Magnusson seems to be the PD of choice so far.

I was leaning towards the Edlebrock for my setup but looking at it in pictures it seems to barley fit under the hood of an SS. Also, I have the GM strut brace and was hoping to keep it. Can anyone tell me if the brace will work with the Magnusson 2300 or 2650? From the pictures that I have seen out there it looks like there is a lot more clearance with it under the hood.

Also, if you have installed any other these, which ones do you find are the better installs to do? The one ProCharger that I have done had really good instructions but was a little frustrating at times to make it work. Plus the tune that came with it was terrible.

I myself was leaning towards the EForce for a couple reasons. One was the warranty & two the canned tune seemed to be OK to get up and running & Edelbrock has generally had a good reputation for R&D over the decades as well as guys are making some good power with them.

I now have no skin in the game as far as SS bolt-ons go, but that was my reasoning.

[laynlo15]

Honestly I don't either but if you don't want a Maggie you should buy a Whipple and not the EBrock.

[Eldi Z]

Quick question: What is the "GM Performance" option?

Is it the OEM LT4 (I.E. ZL1, Z06, CTSV) ?

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Honestly I don't either but if you don't want a Maggie you should buy a Whipple and not the EBrock.

Genuinely curious of what your reasoning is on your thought process with that recommendation.

[Puddin]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Honestly I don't either but if you don't want a Maggie you should buy a Whipple and not the EBrock.

Would you take the Whipple over the Ebrock 2650 or just the 2300.

[laynlo15]

I'm a Maggie guy for sure and would like you to lean that direction. I happen to know a little more then most since I raced and worked for Magnuson until March 20th. I'm not a fan of either but from what our members say the Whipple is a better blower then the EBrock. Better cooling, makes as much power and it actually looks better. Its your bucks so pick you medicine. I know the power the Maggie plus you'll never get the cooling from the EBrock you will from the 2650 Magnuson. Ask other members not just me.
I would take a Whipple of the EBrock 2650 or the 2300.
I think Radz has given a great explanation for the 2650 Maggie.

[ramairroughneck]

I’m glad I chose my Edelbrock 2650. It was the best value when I went to make my purchase. It also makes great power and runs cool. Edelbrock’s come ready for port injection straight out of the box. The port injection bungs are at a much better angle than that Magnuson setup that is coming which features the injector spraying perpendicular to air flow. You gotta really drink the Camaro6 Magnuson Koolaid to not see that. Oh I’m not some guy that has ever worked for a blower manufacturer either. Laynlo is all about making the Edelbrock look bad and selling the Magnuson. The capabilities of a Kong ported Eforce with Crawford port injection are just insane. If your looking for 550 horsepower out of the box or you’re shooting to the moon at over 1300rwhp, any way you slice it the Edelbrock is one bad hombre that will be ready for a multitude of upgrades should you ever want to get extreme. With that said, every blower mentioned is very good. There’s really no need to take anything away from a specific one.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

One is coming from toohighpsi. So if you ever do you'll have that option

That's the one I'm talking about

Originally Posted by ramairroughneck

I’m glad I chose my Edelbrock 2650. It was the best value when I went to make my purchase. It also makes great power and runs cool. Edelbrock’s come ready for port injection straight out of the box. The port injection bungs are at a much better angle than that Magnuson setup that is coming which features the injector spraying perpendicular to air flow. You gotta really drink the Camaro6 Magnuson Koolaid to not see that. Oh I’m not some guy that has ever worked for a blower manufacturer either. Laynlo is all about making the Edelbrock look bad and selling the Magnuson. The capabilities of a Kong ported Eforce with Crawford port injection are just insane. If your looking for 550 horsepower out of the box or you’re shooting to the moon at over 1300rwhp, any way you slice it the Edelbrock is one bad hombre that will be ready for a multitude of upgrades should you ever want to get extreme. With that said, every blower mentioned is very good. There’s really no need to take anything away from a specific one.

I have to wonder if this matters much. I'm not engineer, and am open to learning, but since the PI only comes in for boost (on LTXs), wouldn't the boost be atomizing the fuel anyways, similar to what a carb does? It would seem to me the higher the air flow past the injector, the less impactful the angle becomes, perhaps. I wouldn't know though, as I already stated. I imagine it might be more optimal for some angles more than others, but does that benefit outweigh other benefits of cooling from the other PDs? No porting needed, and I swear I've seen Maggie 2650s go for $5800, which isn't cheap, but doesn't need porting. At any rate - all the PDs have good and "bad", and it boils down to what balance the consumer fits them best. Any of the options work plenty well.

[7WSM]

Originally Posted by JasonGofast

Is this not the case with any of the bigger superchargers? I'm still a total novice when it comes to these kinda things, but isn't the limit usually fuel on the LT1/LT4? You would still need to cam your car to meet the fuel needs of big boost.

Fuel is going to be the limit of just about any engine. It's all about how to go about adding the extra fuel. You can add all the performance goodies you want, without that extra fuel it's meaningless. There are several LT engines out there that make well north of 1k hp on a stock cam, and basically stock LT4/5 internals. KaTech made over 1400 engine HP on basically stock LT4/5 bottom end, stock cam before bending a connecting rod. Even if you extrapolate that to other engines, the 5.0 liter coyote guys make well over 1kwhp on basically a stock engine other then a upgraded oil pump. Even a lot of the LS guys barely run anything bigger then a stock cam and make crazy HP.

[ramairroughneck]

Originally Posted by radz28

That's the one I'm talking about



I have to wonder if this matters much. I'm not engineer, and am open to learning, but since the PI only comes in for boost (on LTXs), wouldn't the boost be atomizing the fuel anyways, similar to what a carb does? It would seem to me the higher the air flow past the injector, the less impactful the angle becomes, perhaps. I wouldn't know though, as I already stated. I imagine it might be more optimal for some angles more than others, but does that benefit outweigh other benefits of cooling from the other PDs? No porting needed, and I swear I've seen Maggie 2650s go for $5800, which isn't cheap, but doesn't need porting. At any rate - all the PDs have good and "bad", and it boils down to what balance the consumer fits them best. Any of the options work plenty well.

In my mind it seams like it would be better to have your fuel spraying in the same general direction as your airflow. I have never seen it sprayed 90 degrees off like that on any vehicle. Will that effect flow? Is it ideal for power? I’m not sure. I already know what they are gonna tell us though. Since I’ve got to see that design, I’m loving my inferior blower more and more. The one thing I’m certain about is, with that setup, a Maggie is gonna be taller. The plus of not trimming a hood might just go away. Trimming would be the last thing I ever worried about. It means something to you guys as you bring it up, again and again. My complete SS kit that included the intercooler, the full 8 rib drive, and all the cooling lines was $6200. It would have been less for an LT4 but I never priced that setup. You could actually find it cheaper than the retail price listed on websites. I couldn’t get anyone to take anything off the Maggie price. On the Maggie’s there are different snouts for the factory throttle body or a 103mm. On an Eforce theres no upcharge to run a factory throttle body and later switch to a 103mm. They designed it so your good to run either as delivered. Whipple does the same I believe.