[hotlap]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Thanks for the input, as always!

Send us a link to the show, I would love to watch.

[DevilsReject97]

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/06/...vrolet-camaro/

Delayed, not cancelled

[TheRealJA105]

GM should wait until the new Mustang and Challenger come out to make sure they Trump them. Kinda like Ford is trying to do with this stupid GT500, that's still going to lose around a track to a ZLE.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/06/...vrolet-camaro/

Delayed, not cancelled

Exactly. The Camaro was not a big seller. But I think it has definitely been a big money maker for GM. Remember, the Camaro was selling at some pretty high prices. Some of the fully loaded 2SS Camaros was right on the door steps of base 1LT Vette prices. So I do not think GM is doing bad at all. I do not think the Camaro is going anywhere. It will be around for a long time.

[NW-99SS]

I love the delay - keeps the 6th gen around longer and makes a big case to have an LT5 powered Camaro.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

I love the delay - keeps the 6th gen around longer and makes a big case to have an LT5 powered Camaro.

It seems like folks have been pulled from the Camaro project to other priorities, so it doesn't seem like (at least for now) there are any plans for an LT5 Camaro.

BUT, adding time to the Gen6 definately gives room in the timeline between the C8 and Gen7 for either an LT5 Gen6 Camaro or a N/A Z/28.

N/A Z/28??? WELL, rumors are the C8 will debut with a reworked LT1 (let's call it the LT2). The LT2 seems like a candidate for the Gen7 SS engine. But the next engine in the C8 lineup is rumored to be a 5.5L DOHC FPC N/A motor good for 600+ HP. That engine would make a great 6th Gen Z/28 motor. BUT, under the old 6th Gen schdule, it would be too late to the party to go in the 6th Gen. Now that the 6th Gen has been extended two years, that gives time for a N/A Z/28.

Assuming the new C8 is a 2020MY, the 5.5L engine could debut as a 2021MY. That means the Camaro can have it in 2022 or 2023MY. This aligns nicely with the extended Camaro schdule. Plus, the Alpha chassis is already ahead of the competition, so there is no need to do backflips to get the Camaro on a new chassis.

If it were up to me, I would upgrade the ZL1 to the LT5 engine in 2021MY with a refresh of the outer looks and inner tech, then debut the Z/28 with the 5.5L in 2022MY.

I know that won't happen, but part of it could (either or).

Better looks and MOAR POWWAR would sell better. Just sayin....

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/06/...vrolet-camaro/

Delayed, not cancelled

"Indefinitely delayed"

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

"Indefinitely delayed"

Still better than the current 2009 Challenger platform...not plans to replace it anytime soon.

[rocket403]

I take the Challenger any day and twice on Sundays lol

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Exactly. The Camaro was not a big seller. But I think it has definitely been a big money maker for GM. Remember, the Camaro was selling at some pretty high prices. Some of the fully loaded 2SS Camaros was right on the door steps of base 1LT Vette prices. So I do not think GM is doing bad at all. I do not think the Camaro is going anywhere. It will be around for a long time.

Like I mentioned in the other thread, while there was some evidence that could make you go hmmm I could see it going away the Camaro's importance is more tied in with Cadillac and needing Camaro volume to sustain the activity at the plant.

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

It seems like folks have been pulled from the Camaro project to other priorities, so it doesn't seem like (at least for now) there are any plans for an LT5 Camaro.

BUT, adding time to the Gen6 definately gives room in the timeline between the C8 and Gen7 for either an LT5 Gen6 Camaro or a N/A Z/28.

N/A Z/28??? WELL, rumors are the C8 will debut with a reworked LT1 (let's call it the LT2). The LT2 seems like a candidate for the Gen7 SS engine. But the next engine in the C8 lineup is rumored to be a 5.5L DOHC FPC N/A motor good for 600+ HP. That engine would make a great 6th Gen Z/28 motor. BUT, under the old 6th Gen schdule, it would be too late to the party to go in the 6th Gen. Now that the 6th Gen has been extended two years, that gives time for a N/A Z/28.

Assuming the new C8 is a 2020MY, the 5.5L engine could debut as a 2021MY. That means the Camaro can have it in 2022 or 2023MY. This aligns nicely with the extended Camaro schdule. Plus, the Alpha chassis is already ahead of the competition, so there is no need to do backflips to get the Camaro on a new chassis.

If it were up to me, I would upgrade the ZL1 to the LT5 engine in 2021MY with a refresh of the outer looks and inner tech, then debut the Z/28 with the 5.5L in 2022MY.

I know that won't happen, but part of it could (either or).

Better looks and MOAR POWWAR would sell better. Just sayin....

I know those are just rumors, I see absolutely no way the C8 has a 5.5L FPC.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I know those are just rumors, I see absolutely no way the C8 has a 5.5L FPC.

C8 will have a derivative of the 4.2L Cadillac blackwing. The CAD drawings have been leaked for over a year showing the exact same engine architecture with low, side mounted turbos rather than the hot V setup in the front engine Caddy config. All other components (heads, block, belt routing) show identical dimensions and pathways as the Blackwing DOHC TT V8. The displacement for the C8 is what is in question. Also, we know that this will be a higher-model engine, the base C8 is getting an LT2 (hotter LT1 pushrod V8).

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

C8 will have a derivative of the 4.2L Cadillac blackwing. The CAD drawings have been leaked for over a year showing the exact same engine architecture with low, side mounted turbos rather than the hot V setup in the front engine Caddy config. All other components (heads, block, belt routing) show identical dimensions and pathways as the Blackwing DOHC TT V8. The displacement for the C8 is what is in question. Also, we know that this will be a higher-model engine, the base C8 is getting an LT2 (hotter LT1 pushrod V8).

I think what chaffe is referring to is the flat plane crank part of all this. The theoretical limit to a FPC engine is about 5.0L. And the Voodoo is 5.2, and has the reliability of PooPoo. So, it seems safe to assume that going up to 5.5L will be an even bigger challenge. And, I agree with this to an extent.

Here is why I said "to an extent". First of all, the Voodoo has a different firing order than a traditional FPC engine, and that effects vibration a bunch. So, it's an apples to oranges comparison. Also, the theoretical limit in terms of vibration for a inline 4 cylinder is 2.0L. We see tons of I4's with more than 2.0L, and they do that by introducing balance shafts. I'm not entirely sure here, but a balance shaft could be added to a 5.5L FPC engine, and smooth out the harshness, but you add to the rotating mass. That kind of defeats some of the purpose of an FPC engine. BUT, not if the ultimate end game is to slap some turbos on it (which the rumors are the 5.5L engine will go TT later). So, a 5.5L FPC with balance shafts seems like it may work. It won't spin up quite as fast, but it won't spin up slow either. But the reduced displacemet gives more room for fuel efficiency also. And the DOHC and FPC will allow it to put the peak HP up high in the RPM range.

It's fun to speculate, but all that is pure conjecture on my part. AND, it's conjecture based off of rumors, so...

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

I think what chaffe is referring to is the flat plane crank part of all this. The theoretical limit to a FPC engine is about 5.0L. And the Voodoo is 5.2, and has the reliability of PooPoo. So, it seems safe to assume that going up to 5.5L will be an even bigger challenge. And, I agree with this to an extent.

Here is why I said "to an extent". First of all, the Voodoo has a different firing order than a traditional FPC engine, and that effects vibration a bunch. So, it's an apples to oranges comparison. Also, the theoretical limit in terms of vibration for a inline 4 cylinder is 2.0L. We see tons of I4's with more than 2.0L, and they do that by introducing balance shafts. I'm not entirely sure here, but a balance shaft could be added to a 5.5L FPC engine, and smooth out the harshness, but you add to the rotating mass. That kind of defeats some of the purpose of an FPC engine. BUT, not if the ultimate end game is to slap some turbos on it (which the rumors are the 5.5L engine will go TT later). So, a 5.5L FPC with balance shafts seems like it may work. It won't spin up quite as fast, but it won't spin up slow either. But the reduced displacemet gives more room for fuel efficiency also. And the DOHC and FPC will allow it to put the peak HP up high in the RPM range.

It's fun to speculate, but all that is pure conjecture on my part. AND, it's conjecture based off of rumors, so...

My bad then, agree on no FPC for C8

[Turkish01]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The idea that Cam6 on Alpha is being extended (like Mustang on S550 being extended) is consistent with things I have seen. Other things in the article are speculation with no confirmation. That’s the best I can do today.

BTW - I will be a guest on Autoline After Hours on Thursday 3:00. Even though the plan was certainly not around discussing Camaro, I’d be stupid to think it won’t come up. If it does, that will pretty much be my response.

I watch autoline AA every week. That’s awesome that your going to be on it. Look forward to it and congratulations to you.