[wwiiavfan]

Said it before, with electric vehicles, unless the charging power is coming from a renewable source, all you are doing is moving the tailpipe from the back of the car to the top of the smokestack at the power plant.

[speedup]

Surprised the logo isn't a check engine light

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by wwiiavfan

Said it before, with electric vehicles, unless the charging power is coming from a renewable source, all you are doing is moving the tailpipe from the back of the car to the top of the smokestack at the power plant.

And, how much land are you willing to clear/destroy for installation of enough solar panels to charge up the national fleet?

[ssmike]

Originally Posted by speedup

Surprised the logo isn't a check engine light

New logo

[90503]

Originally Posted by speedup

Surprised the logo isn't a check engine light

The new gm motto:

"Don't complain, that's how it was designed".

[COKen]

I'm not sure how all this will work.

We have the people in charge moving away from oil/gas toward electric but they are not working to upgrading our electric production or electric grid, not to mention the need for many more charging stations. The west cost is already having rolling blackouts. I think the timeline for the move to electric cars is going to take much longer than expected. I don't believe that there can be a ban on gas powered cars in my lifetime because it is going to take a very long time to put the infrastructure in place.

Since I plan to keep all of my gas cars, I wonder if I need to look into how to make my own gas?

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by COKen

I'm not sure how all this will work.

We have the people in charge moving away from oil/gas toward electric but they are not working to upgrading our electric production or electric grid, not to mention the need for many more charging stations. The west cost is already having rolling blackouts. I think the timeline for the move to electric cars is going to take much longer than expected. I don't believe that there can be a ban on gas powered cars in my lifetime because it is going to take a very long time to put the infrastructure in place.

Since I plan to keep all of my gas cars, I wonder if I need to look into how to make my own gas?

The problem is there will always be people like me, who will simply never buy an electric car. Plain and simple. Hell I’ll never own a car with an automatic transmission.

They can’t force these on us.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by ssmike

New logo

This is GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by COKen

I'm not sure how all this will work.

We have the people in charge moving away from oil/gas toward electric but they are not working to upgrading our electric production or electric grid, not to mention the need for many more charging stations. The west cost is already having rolling blackouts. I think the timeline for the move to electric cars is going to take much longer than expected. I don't believe that there can be a ban on gas powered cars in my lifetime because it is going to take a very long time to put the infrastructure in place.

Since I plan to keep all of my gas cars, I wonder if I need to look into how to make my own gas?

Likely should because Gas is going up. I expect to see it at $7 per gallon is lunatic California.

[Zapote21]

Meh. I have my 2020SS, but traded the wifes Camaro for a Bolt. I work from home, but she has a 50 mile round trip commute and it has been amazing to never ever have to buy gas for it. lol

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by wwiiavfan

Said it before, with electric vehicles, unless the charging power is coming from a renewable source, all you are doing is moving the tailpipe from the back of the car to the top of the smokestack at the power plant.

Even then, that is an improvement. It's more effective to control the emission from fewer larger sources than many smaller sources. Power plants rely on machines that more or less run at steady state, something we can't say with our cars that revs up and down all the time. Steady state = more efficiency.

As I have said in other threads, I have nothing against the concept of EV itself. If I have the money, I'd buy a short range one just to do the grocery shopping so I can keep the fun car just for weekend shenanigans. And why not? If you could buy one cheaply, you pay close to nothing on electricity compared to gas, there is almost no maintenance other than tires, and you could set the car to preheat so it's already warm/cool as you hop in without wasting gas. You could just use it and forget about it. These are just from running cost and convenience perspective, I am not an environmentalist hippy

The problem is how the governments are forcing it whether or not it's practical, and none of them have a plan. It's just "we will ban ICE car sales in 20XX", never "we will help create the infrastructure for EV" or anything like that. I mean, it's not practical for everyone at this stage, and unless there is some major breakthrough that becomes cost-effective, I doubt anything will change. Even Toyota CEO says it's BS against the Japanese government that intends to ban ICE vehicle sales in 2035.

https://carbuzz.com/news/toyota-ceo-...ctric-vehicles

GM is just following the government's game. Gotta play the cards you are dealt. That's just how it is.

Originally Posted by Fraxum

I am sorry but electric cars are a silly comparison to the undermining of our government. Get used to it. Electric power is part of the plan to save our world from us.

I am not a fan either of electric cars. But I know we need to go there.

Car emissions are not much compared to what airplanes or cruise ships put out, and good luck electrifying those.

Environmentalism argumrnts probably won't work for people who drive big V8s around, just saying.

Sent from toaster or something

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

But I know we need to go there.

No, we do not.

Seriously, you’re in the wrong forum with your views.

[genxer]

Fraxum & UnknownJinX,

Common sense tells you planes, modern shipping, many industries, and most plastic consumer products can't ditch fuel use.

More importantly, western societies are littered with bad-faith actors. And there really isn't an institution that hasn't been scandalized from boot-licking to a disingenuous elite claiming a desire to save the world (where OEM's EV begging for banker capital fits), or a fake opposition good-cop act. The Constitution is broken.

[Timbo-1LE]

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