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motorhead · 01-30-2016, 07:55 AM

Looking for guys in the know. I have an opportunity to purchase a barn find that is about 2hrs from my home. The guy is claiming that it's an x33 with the original drivetrain. If this is true the price is very good. The car has no Z/28 bages from the picture he has posted and it doesn't have the cowl hood. Just the base hood. What should i be looking for to make sure it's the real deal?
Thanks in advance.

Ragnar · 01-30-2016, 09:19 AM

Here some pictures for you. Look at the rear bumper guards, the Z/28's were much bigger and were the only Camaro's to have them that size. My car had the optional front bumper guards also. The cowl induction was an option. Make sure the car has a 12 bolt rear end with multi leaf springs. The car came with 373 gears, mine had optional 410's. The engine will have double hump heads. Also check out the tack, mine had a 8000 RPM one. Up until April of 1969, spoilers were an option. Spoilers were added to my car in 1970. Notice the stripe that goes below the spoiler, if that was factory, the trunk lid would not have a stripe on it. The rear emblem would be relocated on the trunk. If you open the trunk, look for the stickers referring to the rear differential. Just a few suggestions. See if they have the Protect-O-Plate also. Good luck!

Ragnar · 01-30-2016, 09:23 AM

Found some more for you.

motorhead · 01-30-2016, 09:51 AM

Wow! Thank you very much. I didn't expect such a thorough reply. That helps a lot. I never saw a Z/28 without the cowl hood. I took it for granite that it was Standard on the x33. Im going to look at it tomorrow. It needs a complete restore, but i think I can get it for a good price.

We'll see. I thought i was done with the old car game. Lol

It does have the grill badge after looking at the pic again. None of the others though.

Ragnar · 01-30-2016, 10:18 AM

Another few things, powered disc brakes up front, sway bar, and a recall was done on the car around 1970 for breaking motor mounts. It will have a bracket installed around the left motor mount. Look at the rear end bolts from the back. If you see just one in the middle, that is a 10 bolt (no Z/28) and if you see 2 evenly spaced, that is the 12 bolt.

blackbird15 · 01-30-2016, 05:56 PM

Look at the trim tab located on drivers side fire wall . This will identify body style , paint color , interior trim , build date . Also location of plant build . los=los Angeles California , Van = Van Nuys California , Nor=Norwood Ohio . Norwood built camaros used two codes to designate z28 x33 or x77 on trim tab. Los Angeles and Van Nuys built cars did not . See thecamaro.com .

motorhead · 01-30-2016, 06:10 PM

Thanks everyone. This all helps. Im excited to go check it out tomorrow.

Bigtime53 · 01-30-2016, 08:53 PM

If it is for real and you want to sell it let me know please. Just pm here. Thanks

PROZ11 · 02-01-2016, 12:26 PM

Check out Camaros.net. It's a great first gen site. There is a wealth of knowledge and information there. Those cars are faked quite a bit. Not saying the one you're looking at is a fake, but there are lots of fakes out there. Do your homework for sure. You know what they say "out of 22,000 Z/28s made in 1969 there's only 60,000 of them left" Lol

. Good luck with the car.

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Wayniez · 02-02-2016, 12:00 AM

Early built cars may not have the X code .

Bigtime53 · 02-14-2016, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

Looking for guys in the know. I have an opportunity to purchase a barn find that is about 2hrs from my home. The guy is claiming that it's an x33 with the original drivetrain. If this is true the price is very good. The car has no Z/28 bages from the picture he has posted and it doesn't have the cowl hood. Just the base hood. What should i be looking for to make sure it's the real deal?
Thanks in advance.

Well what happened? Did you buy it or was it rusted down or?

motorhead · 02-14-2016, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigtime53

Well what happened? Did you buy it or was it rusted down or?

Sorry, I should have posted this instead of just PMing it.

It is an X33, but it doesn't have the right motor and No ProtectOplate. All the trim and emblems are missing except the one in the grill. The interior is very rough and there is a lot of rust under the car. It did have the rosewood steering wheel which I thought was cool. He wants 18k for it which i think would have been worth it if it had the right motor and didn't need so much. It was one of those to good to be true things.

Bigtime53 · 02-14-2016, 08:00 PM

I hate to say it but it probably is worth that. If the cowl tag says X33 and it still has the 12 bolt rear axle and the 4 speed and some interior parts it will bring that price. It is ashamed they cost that much. I saw one not to long ago that had no motor,trans and was rusted so bad there was not one piece of metal that could be reused or saved and that car sold for 23K. Just because it was a real Z/28. I guess who ever bought it wanted it real bad but I would not have bought it. Did you take any pics of the car? I hope you did so you could show us some. What color was the car? If it was hugger orange I would be a buyer on it maybe unless it is like the one I just told you about.

motorhead · 02-14-2016, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigtime53

I hate to say it but it probably is worth that. If the cowl tag says X33 and it still has the 12 bolt rear axle and the 4 speed and some interior parts it will bring that price. It is ashamed they cost that much. I saw one not to long ago that had no motor,trans and was rusted so bad there was not one piece of metal that could be reused or saved and that car sold for 23K. Just because it was a real Z/28. I guess who ever bought it wanted it real bad but I would not have bought it. Did you take any pics of the car? I hope you did so you could show us some. What color was the car? If it was hugger orange I would be a buyer on it maybe unless it is like the one I just told you about.

I was rather disappointed to see that it didnt have the right motor and the amount of rust under the car. The car was primered, but I believe it was a dark color originally. I really wasn't in the market for a project. That's why I would have had to have purchased it for less than 18 in that condition for it to be worth it for me. I don't believe he sold it yet. I didn't bother with pics because I wasn't interested at that cost ,and I felt the seller wasn't entirely honest in how he was portraying the car to be.

01-30-2016, 07:55 AM	#1
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	. Looking for guys in the know. I have an opportunity to purchase a barn find that is about 2hrs from my home. The guy is claiming that it's an x33 with the original drivetrain. If this is true the price is very good. The car has no Z/28 bages from the picture he has posted and it doesn't have the cowl hood. Just the base hood. What should i be looking for to make sure it's the real deal? Thanks in advance. Last edited by motorhead; 05-04-2016 at 02:12 PM.

01-30-2016, 09:19 AM	#2
Ragnar Destroyed by flooding Drives: Wife's car Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 4,673	Here some pictures for you. Look at the rear bumper guards, the Z/28's were much bigger and were the only Camaro's to have them that size. My car had the optional front bumper guards also. The cowl induction was an option. Make sure the car has a 12 bolt rear end with multi leaf springs. The car came with 373 gears, mine had optional 410's. The engine will have double hump heads. Also check out the tack, mine had a 8000 RPM one. Up until April of 1969, spoilers were an option. Spoilers were added to my car in 1970. Notice the stripe that goes below the spoiler, if that was factory, the trunk lid would not have a stripe on it. The rear emblem would be relocated on the trunk. If you open the trunk, look for the stickers referring to the rear differential. Just a few suggestions. See if they have the Protect-O-Plate also. Good luck! Attached Images __________________

01-30-2016, 09:23 AM	#3
Ragnar Destroyed by flooding Drives: Wife's car Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 4,673	Found some more for you. Attached Images __________________

01-30-2016, 10:18 AM	#5
Ragnar Destroyed by flooding Drives: Wife's car Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 4,673	Another few things, powered disc brakes up front, sway bar, and a recall was done on the car around 1970 for breaking motor mounts. It will have a bracket installed around the left motor mount. Look at the rear end bolts from the back. If you see just one in the middle, that is a 10 bolt (no Z/28) and if you see 2 evenly spaced, that is the 12 bolt. __________________ Last edited by Ragnar; 01-30-2016 at 11:13 AM.

02-01-2016, 12:26 PM	#9
PROZ11 Drives: 2012 RS/2SS, 69 ProStreet Camaro Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: North NJ Posts: 478	Check out Camaros.net. It's a great first gen site. There is a wealth of knowledge and information there. Those cars are faked quite a bit. Not saying the one you're looking at is a fake, but there are lots of fakes out there. Do your homework for sure. You know what they say "out of 22,000 Z/28s made in 1969 there's only 60,000 of them left" Lol. Good luck with the car. . __________________

01-30-2016, 09:51 AM	#4
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	Wow! Thank you very much. I didn't expect such a thorough reply. That helps a lot. I never saw a Z/28 without the cowl hood. I took it for granite that it was Standard on the x33. Im going to look at it tomorrow. It needs a complete restore, but i think I can get it for a good price. We'll see. I thought i was done with the old car game. Lol It does have the grill badge after looking at the pic again. None of the others though.

01-30-2016, 05:56 PM	#6
blackbird15 Drives: 2015 zl1 camaro Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: freeland , maryland Posts: 33	Look at the trim tab located on drivers side fire wall . This will identify body style , paint color , interior trim , build date . Also location of plant build . los=los Angeles California , Van = Van Nuys California , Nor=Norwood Ohio . Norwood built camaros used two codes to designate z28 x33 or x77 on trim tab. Los Angeles and Van Nuys built cars did not . See thecamaro.com .

01-30-2016, 06:10 PM	#7
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	Thanks everyone. This all helps. Im excited to go check it out tomorrow.

01-30-2016, 08:53 PM	#8
Bigtime53 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,298	If it is for real and you want to sell it let me know please. Just pm here. Thanks

02-02-2016, 12:00 AM	#10
Wayniez Drives: 69 Camaro with LSA Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Se Ma. Posts: 117	Early built cars may not have the X code . __________________ 69 SS/RS Camaro complete frame off new sheet metal. DSE mini tubs, frame connectors, tubular control arms. Ride Tech 4 link with coil overs and Chassis Works Fab 9. C6 Z51 Corvette brakes. GM crate LSA/4l85 crate drivetrain. http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/showthread.php4?t=17217

02-14-2016, 08:00 PM	#13
Bigtime53 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 2,298	I hate to say it but it probably is worth that. If the cowl tag says X33 and it still has the 12 bolt rear axle and the 4 speed and some interior parts it will bring that price. It is ashamed they cost that much. I saw one not to long ago that had no motor,trans and was rusted so bad there was not one piece of metal that could be reused or saved and that car sold for 23K. Just because it was a real Z/28. I guess who ever bought it wanted it real bad but I would not have bought it. Did you take any pics of the car? I hope you did so you could show us some. What color was the car? If it was hugger orange I would be a buyer on it maybe unless it is like the one I just told you about.