[soceur77]

Validity of this statement?

[gilgamesh]

Interesting ideas. I dunno about the truth of his statement regarding the limit to the 60ft times, but I can say with absolute certainty that the Cat has considerably less torque management than the Z. The Z feels VERY reserved and restrained by comparison.

[CarFlow1]

Originally Posted by gilgamesh

Interesting ideas. I dunno about the truth of his statement regarding the limit to the 60ft times, but I can say with absolute certainty that the Cat has considerably less torque management than the Z. The Z feels VERY reserved and restrained by comparison.

I haven't test driven a Z but I have driven a Hellcat. What do you mean by 'reserved and restrained?' Is the power in the Z not as startling as it is in the Hellcat? Your thoughts?

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by CarFlow1

I haven't test driven a Z but I have driven a Hellcat. What do you mean by 'reserved and restrained?' Is the power in the Z not as startling as it is in the Hellcat? Your thoughts?

There is a whole thread on this, you won't "feel" the power as much in the Z because of the engineering to smoothly move the power from the engine to the tires.

A good example:

When the chassis puts the power down properly, it doesn't "feel"as fast.

This car made you feel like the world was exploding at wot.
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Reality:

According to contemporary sources, a 450hp LS6-equipped SS 454 could run 0-60 mph in 6.1 seconds and cover the quarter mile in 13.44 at 108 mph.

6th gen SS: 0-60 4.1 seconds, and almost feels calm and controlled at wot.

Need to throw a puffer on to get the "holy sh*t" feeling. ZL1 3.5 sec 0-60

Challenger chassis is a crusty relic of Mercedes descent. Can't handle hc power, does not handle (bloated) - but "feels" fast.

[tbrennyZL1]

He might be right about the 60 foot thing we'll see, but I think it's funny how he calls people out for fact checking then claims the hellcat is 300 pounds more when according to MT it's about 500!!! Ya that's real close!

[IneedAZ]

Guess where I disagree with the video is on stock tires on the street I would think cause of the tq management of the Zl1 the Zl1 would win as the cat would most likely spin more.

[DDP98]

[QUOTE=Sven59;9715881]There is a whole thread on this, you won't "feel" the power as much in the Z because of the engineering to smoothly move the power from the engine to the tires.

A good example:

When the chassis puts the power down properly, it doesn't "feel"as fast.

This car made you feel like the world was exploding at wot.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Reality:

According to contemporary sources, a 450hp LS6-equipped SS 454 could run 0-60 mph in 6.1 seconds and cover the quarter mile in 13.44 at 108 mph.

6th gen SS: 0-60 4.1 seconds, and almost feels calm and controlled at wot.


^ This. The ZL1 is just effortless and handles the power so well. Honestly, it doesn't scare you. I don't even think my traction control light has ever flashed like in my previous car.

[96MrBass]

Yeah! Because "ALL" hellcats always run 11.2 or less. Hellcats seem to be the only factory car that always run faster than their adviertised time's lol. Please someone with a Z line up and dig race these mofo's.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by gilgamesh

Interesting ideas. I dunno about the truth of his statement regarding the limit to the 60ft times, but I can say with absolute certainty that the Cat has considerably less torque management than the Z. The Z feels VERY reserved and restrained by comparison.

I see from your signature that your "restrained" ZL1 is stock. Is your 732rwhp/708rwtq Charger HC also stock or are you going from memory?

Assuming your HC is modified, did you run it for timed passes before modifying it? The ZL1?

Thanks

[Zl1steve]

I ran a 1.71 in my zl1 on street tires.

[Can'tHave2MuchHP]

I like how the first comment is RPM Motorsports saying they cut a 1.5 60' and went 10.91

No doubt we suffer from a ton of torque management and stuff like that, and there's probably some validity to what he's saying about chevy trying to limit it. And yes it sucks Chevy couldn't build a car that's going to consistently beat Dodge's last gen offering in a straight line. Hellcats are just straight-line monsters, but there's not much to brag about there because I could build a fast straight line car on my back in my garage...But building a car that goes sub 7.5 minutes at the 'Ring and shatters records set by $250,000+ Super cars on tracks like Big Willow? Never going to happen. That's what takes development, testing, development, and more testing.

I'd be curious to see what a full bolt on, drag radial, A10 Coupe ZL1 would do in the 1/4.

[gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by hotlap

I see from your signature that your "restrained" ZL1 is stock. Is your 732rwhp/708rwtq Charger HC also stock or are you going from memory?

Assuming your HC is modified, did you run it for timed passes before modifying it? The ZL1?

Thanks

Yes. As for now the the Z is stock. I did run my Z against my friends stock Chally HC however last week, Manual VS manual. I'll put the video elsewhere due to admin rules on this site. The run was VERY close especially starting around 50. I would not challenge for a SECOND that the Z is far more poised, and easier to handle than the Cat-Stock or not. It is also far more predictable-I can snap off 0-60s in her like clockwork as opposed to the(MY) cat running a 3.4 0-60 one time and a 5.2 the next due to Wheel spin. What I feel I am referencing the most in my comment of the Z feeling "restrained" is most likely the torque management and TC system in her. While the Cat has that as well, it is nowhere near as effective. In my Z a quick 60MPH DS to 2nd will be met with a slight delay in throttle response to allow the chassie to hook up and then you're off to the races surging forward. In the HC you do the same thing and it is BRUTAL, the engine is less of a shove in the back like the LT4 and much more of a bull kicking you in the face.

Just different feels.

Yes, I did have my cat at the 1/4 before modding her. My best was around an 11.1 on a tire. Need to get time slips dug up for verifying 60 FT. I have not ran my Z yet.

[kwav8r]

Originally Posted by tbrennyZL1

He might be right about the 60 foot thing we'll see, but I think it's funny how he calls people out for fact checking then claims the hellcat is 300 pounds more when according to MT it's about 500!!! Ya that's real close!

True.
And while he may be right on limiting the Z to 1.7, this guy is clearly a hater.

"I'm not hating on the ZL1...but it'll never beat a Hellcat"

"guitarmaggedon ran an 11.19, we'll call it an 11.2" the Hellcat ran an 10.68, 10.69 (we'll call it a 10.6)"

"All the Chevy fan boys (in a highpitch voice), you'll never beat a Hellcat"

If he's not hating on the ZL1 why did he bother to make the video....

Just another MOPAR Meathead (reserved for those who think the sun rises and sets with MOPAR).

[NicD]

I don't have time to waste with a 10 minute video of some random guy talking about a hellcat vs a ZL1. However reading the subject of this post I can reply to that by saying GM is NOT limiting the 60' to only a 1.8, it doesn't work like that. Torque management just slows the hit from a dig by restricting the throttle and it does it the same amount every time. If somebody runs the car in nice cold air with negative DA and a sticky tire it's going to go faster no matter what compared to many of the passes that have already been made online. The programming is not going to respond and limit the 60' to a particular time.