04-29-2021, 11:11 PM | #1 |
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DD with camber plates ?
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I am highly considering installing camber plates on my SS1LE. (Vorschalg or equivalent) I need more camber than stock setup can offer for track days,(wearing outer edge at -2.7deg), however, I daily drive my car so I can not stay with excessive negative camber up front otherwise I would cord the inner. A few questions: 1-How bad is ride quality affected by the camber plates ? 2- I know that toe and camber are coupled on this McPherson but have you been able to find a sweet spot ? meaning being able to switch from track to street use without going to the alignment shop all the time to setup toe ? If so, what alignment specs are you running ? Apologies if this topic has already been covered Cheers TM. |
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05-01-2021, 02:48 PM | #3 |
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I wonder how much total toe out would be acceptable for track days.
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05-01-2021, 03:17 PM | #4 |
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I’m interested in this as well. I have to believe there is a sweet spot with camber/toe...
Like wouldn’t it be cool if -3.2 camber gave .10 toe out for track and .2.5 camber gave .05 toe in for street? Those numbers were pulled from nowhere but I’m guessing that’s the idea you had in mind? Lastly, if a perfect number isn’t there, you could alsways buy toe plates and adjust that yourself before and after track events. It would take a few times to master it but it’s doable.. Subscribed! |
05-02-2021, 08:31 PM | #5 |
This is an excellent question:
I would add, any data on the ZLE at “track” and “street” position? I agree zero toe for the street and toe out for track. Got to find how much camber can be changed to achieve it. |
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He's got a lot of experience, I'll take his advice... it also saves a lot of cash and and lot of work changing alignment back and forth. Luckily with our cars we can get up to ~2.6 camber w/o plates, that's enough for a car driven on the street + autox/track, and if you get too much inside wear you'll have to adjust your driving habits and take corners faster.
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05-03-2021, 07:52 AM | #9 |
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I don't think the camber wear will be super dramatic at -3.2. I stick with -2.5 for autox and street, and when I checked my street tires with a depth gauge, the camber wear was marginal. Camber really only wears tires super fast on those stanced cars, otherwise accelerated wear is almost always the toe being out. The little bit of extra wear on the street tires will probably be made up if you can get an extra event out of the track tires.
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Lets see some pics of your tires, I have a feeling you aren't getting too much outer wear.
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05-03-2021, 03:21 PM | #11 |
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My strategy is to swap wheels, not alignment settings. I have a second set of wheels that I put on the car when it'll only be on the street for a while. Those wheels carry performance all-season tires with a high UTQG number. The car is much more pleasant to drive - good ride, quiet, etc., and handling limits are still plenty for the street.
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05-03-2021, 04:09 PM | #12 |
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shouldnt have any problems
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05-10-2021, 08:51 AM | #14 |
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If all this discussion is just to avoid adjusting toe after a camber adjustment, why not just adjust the toe? I have the Vorshlag plates, I have marks for street and track that get the camber where I want from previous measurements.
When I adjust the camber, place the car down (rock it back and forth a bit) and measure toe, lift back up and adjust the rods. I believe each bilateral turn (one sixth of a rotation) is good for about 1/8". Adjusting camber to 3.2 deg puts me toe out about 1/2", so three turns puts me at 1/8" where I want to be. For street do the reverse. The rear is another story - more compromise unless you have toe bars. I leave that at about 2 deg camber all the time. The rear tires wear out so quick on these cars anyway. I learned this method the hard way when that 1/2" toe out cost me a fairly new set of NT01s.
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