[Nabush]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

no you're just wrong

He is just a complete GM/camaro fanboy

As a French guy, from the outside it is really funny to see this brand talibanism on both sides I mean

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

That was a auto. I’m sure this will be 6m to 6m shootout. Also, the 1le is about 3750lbs.

There's not a whole lot of weight difference between the m6 and a8 in the 6th gen. It will definitely be closer than SS to GT PP1 for sure.

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[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by Nabush

He is just a complete GM/camaro fanboy

As a French guy, from the outside it is really funny to see this brand talibanism on both sides I mean

Incorrect, you are so wrong its funny. Thanks for the laugh.

He resorted to "no you're wrong" if though I clearly stated we simply have a difference of opinion. THAT is "talibanism" as you so strangely put it.

[JamesNoBrakes]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

The weights are not a wash. We have seen several PP1s weigh in at 38XXlbs. That's almost 200lbs more than a 1SS. The only advantage with the M6 GT is possibly the tires. It doesn't have a gearing advantage like the A10 does. Still I'd say .2 to .3 in the 1/4.

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Um, the 1LE is heavier than the basic 1SS. Wheels and tires, brakes, thicker sways, etc. That stuff is not free.

[Chris V]

My 1LE was 3,663 at SCCA Solo nationals - bone stock with a quarter tank and no trunk junk.

[SSfriendly]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

It's a performance pack...people have to pay big extra bucks for it. It's fair. PP2 has the best tires of the either the Rustang or SS. I doubt you'll see SS owners using that as an excuse if the PP2 comes out like gangbusters.

100% wrong here. Camaro owners were complaining that the 350R had an unfair advantage with its carbon fiber wheels. Tires have been a complaint on comparisons with every matchup that comes out.

I guarantee if the PP2 keeps up or beats the 1LE, owners here are going to pull the tire card like gangbusters.

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by Chris V

My 1LE was 3,663 at SCCA Solo nationals - bone stock with a quarter tank and no trunk junk.

They must have forgot to install something.

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/20...-drive-review/

Nearly 3800 lbs.

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

100% wrong here. Camaro owners were complaining that the 350R had an unfair advantage with its carbon fiber wheels. Tires have been a complaint on comparisons with every matchup that comes out.

I guarantee if the PP2 keeps up or beats the 1LE, owners here are going to pull the tire card like gangbusters.

100% subjective, nice try FF.
Who in their right mind would compare the current flagship Crustang to a SS? LOL.

[vtirocz]

Do we know if the SS 1LE is a 1SS or 2SS in the MT head2head?

Also, all magazine weights are with a full fuel tank (even if the SS has a bigger tank). So if you are comparing your car with partial tank, that's not apples to apples.

The 1LE package adds about 75 lb onto a base 1SS.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

They must have forgot to install something.

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/20...-drive-review/

Nearly 3800 lbs.

He stated his had a 1/4 tank of fuel. Magazines weigh cars with full fuel tank.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by vtirocz

Do we know if the SS 1LE is a 1SS or 2SS in the MT head2head?

Also, all magazine weights are with a full fuel tank (even if the SS has a bigger tank). So if you are comparing your car with partial tank, that's not apples to apples.

The 1LE package adds about 75 lb onto a base 1SS.

Good point on fuel levels. Won't know but they can use a 2SS one if they use a Premium GT. Both add about the same weight. I can't find the difference in the tremec and a8 but it's probably 25lbs. Bottom line there is a hundred pound weight difference. That's not a wash is all I'm saying. And if you compare a 1SS with its true competition the GT PP1, the difference is closer to 200lbs.

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[Zodiac]

Originally Posted by jmackisback

100% subjective, nice try FF.
Who in their right mind would compare the current flagship Crustang to a SS? LOL.

So is it a Crustang, Rustang, or a Mustang? It's so hard to have a constructive conversation with someone who has an intellectual disability.

My favorite part about the 5.0 (feminine engine?) vs LT1 (truck engine?) vs 392 (boat engine?) is at least it doesn't have AFM/DoD/MDS or whatever the manufacturer wants to call it.

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by SSfriendly

100% wrong here. Camaro owners were complaining that the 350R had an unfair advantage with its carbon fiber wheels. Tires have been a complaint on comparisons with every matchup that comes out.

I guarantee if the PP2 keeps up or beats the 1LE, owners here are going to pull the tire card like gangbusters.

Keeps up for how long? 1 lap? Maybe 2 in December because it has no cooling? A car designed in secret during off duty time beating a 1LE is laughable. If you think 305 Cup 2s a 26 pounds of downforce spoiler and "police" brakes is all the GT needs to keep up with the 1LE then you guys are drunk off unicorn piss.

[jmackisback]

Originally Posted by Zodiac

So is it a Crustang, Rustang, or a Mustang? It's so hard to have a constructive conversation with someone who has an intellectual disability.

A+ comeback. Right on par for what I would expect from you.

Did you want to talk about cars or push your elitism?