05-20-2020, 03:21 PM | #29 | |
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05-20-2020, 04:02 PM | #30 | |
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05-20-2020, 04:10 PM | #31 |
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I was faced with a similar dilemma a couple of years back. I chose at the time to go with an 18 5.0 A10. I really liked many things about it and my intention was to boost. It ran strong N/A with just an e85 Lund tune and some minor bolt ons. Unfortunately, I ran into some major mechanical issues and ended up trading out of it.
I traded it for my 19 SS A10. It seems very easy to get caught up in the horsepower wars and for drag racing, I totally get it. A boosted coyote is a rocket and there is no doubt it holds the initial upper hand. But I will say this, and this isn't reflected in the dyno numbers, the Camaro is simply an overall better driving experience. The precision of the steering and excellent handling (and I just have an SS not a 1lE) is just light years ahead of the Mustang. The overall feel and balance of the car is alive, whereas the Mustang just feels a bit more numb and disconnected. (i'm not talking about the GT350 or GT500). You can only go so fast on public roads and realisticly, we cant use the power they come with stock legally. Lots of hp (as you know) is nice but if its more of a 1 trick pony, at some point, it leaves you longing for more. Also, the low end torque of the LT1 should be considered. It makes those mundane drives even more enjoyable. Boost is a blast but its simply 1 element. In many ways I loved my Mustang but to simply get in and drive them, the Camaro is hands down much more fun in every circumstance, not just a straight line. Camaro's strengths are its balance and advantage when it comes to building N/A horsepower. Give them a thorough test drive and see for yourself. Good luck!!
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05-20-2020, 04:13 PM | #32 | |
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Realistically i have never been to a track with any of my cars, i haven’t actually went to Mexico in over a year because all i do is work. I should get the car with nicer interior and better sound (Camaro) to enjoy on nice days and leave it at that. Decisions decisions... |
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05-20-2020, 04:17 PM | #33 | |
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Very reasonable advice/outlook, thank you. Basically what i just responded to the person above with, I’m getting caught in the numbers but for what im actually going to use the car for, i don’t think that should be a priority. Its just hard to ignore lol I have to go drive a Camaro and see how i like it. Plus it would be a new project, I’ve done a coyote, i just did the LS with the vette. Now try a new LT1 and a Camaro. I wish it could hold boost and all my problems would be solved. |
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05-20-2020, 07:22 PM | #34 |
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I owned (or made payments on) a 2014 Mustang GT track pack, a 2015 Mustang GT performance pack, and a 2017 Camaro SS 6M. I recently traded my 2017 Camaro SS. I was considering a leftover 2019 Mustang GT performance pack 2. They don't come with Recaros, the MT82 is garbage, and those tires make that thing a handful for daily driving. I decided on a 2020 Camaro SS 1LE and haven't looked back. The chassis on these cars just blows away the S550, not to mention the TR6060 manual trans.
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05-20-2020, 07:36 PM | #35 | |
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You can add Recaros to the performance pack 2? Unless you just mean they don’t come with them standard, which makes zero sense to me. Performance package but no performance seats. I agree with everything else you said, better interior, better transmission, better chassis and i always have to mention how much better the Camaro sounds compared to the coyote. Stock for stock, the SS 1LE is by far a better value to me. Depending on how far past stock you go and what you use the car for is the only time it becomes a question of which car to get. |
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05-20-2020, 07:41 PM | #36 | |
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Somehow mines been great though boosted since 2017 so I'll consider myself lucky I guess Honestly from my own experience at the drag strip for similar mods I really never had any Boosted Coyote envy at all (1st and 2nd gen , that 3rd gen whoa now they make power but have issues unfortunately). I'm not saying they weren't some really fast ones cause umm yeah there really are ...but for the most part many of them just don't run like the Youtube hero cars everyone thinks is the automatic default times every boosted Coyote runs. Key word here real world as watching too many Youtube videos rots your brain and alters your perception of others reality just enough to make it painful haha. Getting caught up in numbers is a great way to turn something fun into a pain in the ASS. Also at the end of the day I drag race yes but I also use my SS for other performance driving events and in regards to vehicle handling and chassis dynamics the S550 chassis cars are just not on the same level as the Alpha 6 chassis and its immediately apparent after driving both in anything but a strait line. I didn't want a one trick pony regardless of how great at the one trick it was .... but I did consider it. Plus I have an 03 Cobra already so I'm good on the stangs for now. I will admit though sometimes I watch videos of the H/C NA Pray 6th gens and it makes me want to build another non boosted 6th gen ... like you said the Sound and those Pray cars just flat out Perform no doubt. -Jon
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05-20-2020, 08:05 PM | #37 | |
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LT1s not holding boost was an over simplification and also in comparison to the coyote lol. H/C 6th gen seems to be the route I’m leaning towards for all the reasons mentioned, just a much nicer car the more and more i look into it. Also i can go little by little. I’ll probably have headers on within a week of buying it lol. |
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05-20-2020, 08:15 PM | #38 | |
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05-20-2020, 09:15 PM | #39 |
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If you want to help out and buy my C5Z, I’ll get started right away! Haha had a bunch of interest right after posting (2 weeks ago) seemed to of died down. Not a good time to sell, and a very small target market with my car. Most guys want stock vettes.
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05-21-2020, 12:27 AM | #40 | |
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Not too mention, even though the mustang handles boost better its not like its going to live at over 900. Eventually it'll need to be built too past a certain power level, albeit cheaper. OP is considering an auto GT so I guess this is irrelevant lol
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05-21-2020, 07:46 AM | #41 |
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Yea, the Recaros are an upcharge on the Mustang. I will say that the Coyote is the superior engine when it comes to boost. A set of upgraded OPG's and you're good to go. I'm not someone with the money to spend like that, so I'm a N/A guy. Always have been. When I traded my 2015 Mustang GT, I had Stainless Works longtubes with cats, JLT CAI, and a Palm Beach Dyno tune (it was quicker than my Lund tune). One drive in a 2017 Camaro SS and I was sold. I was so sick of no torque and that awful raspy exhaust. Even after a $550 MGW shifter, it was still so-so at shifting at WOT at best.
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05-21-2020, 06:18 PM | #42 |
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This might seem a little harsh, I apologize. I’m just trying to expound.
OP, you keep on talking about street racing and power. You say you don’t care anymore, but your posts prove that’s not true, because your replies prove you’re still hung up on horsepower. The Mustang is definitely the right car for you. I don’t give a crap about that stuff, so I bought a 1LE. If you have no plans to track it, a 1LE is a complete waste for a person like you. It’s a handling car first and foremost, and designed to be exceptional on track for its cost- and maintain warranty- as long as it stays stock. The step up to me of an SS 1LE would be a GT350. That engine and those Recaros are serious! It is a great canvas for the track. A step up from that would be a ZL1 1LE. Because I value handling, I wouldn’t walk across the street to take a dump on a GT. Their interiors are garbage compared to the GT350, they handle much worse. The Performance Pack 2 is a harsh, tramlining mess that needs a superior tire to barely beat an SS 1LE on track. But the SS drives, brakes, and changes directions infinitely better. Same tire, the SS will beat it on track again, this has been proven. The GT also has fat man spec Recaros. They’re not as good as the 1LE seats, and don’t hold a candle to the GT350 Recaros. But all that is moot. You want power and to go fast in a straight line. So the rest of that all falls to the wayside. Because a Coyote is the engine if you want to make power, they are monsters modified. Stop torturing yourself and buy a Mustang GT. |
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