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Old 05-25-2018, 09:57 AM   #2185
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I think a part of the issue here is that social media and forums are increasing in usage and society is growing more bold in voicing their opinions. The boundary of what people can and will say is no longer restricted to truths. Opinions get exaggerated and over emphasized and many are losing the clear line that divides fact and opinion. This was not as much an issue with previous changes as technology did not have as large a forum to allow voice.

Any change is going to have opposition. Often the strongest voices are from opposition NOT supporters.

There have been many voices questioning Chevy and their decisions. Ultimately they are a corporation that exists to make money, and that is where their loyalty exists. I don't understand the need to compare sales to Dodge or Mustang. I don't think the Camaro "target" is winning the sales "quantity" race, it is profit for Chevy.
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:17 AM   #2186
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My 2017 2SS is one amazing machine. I traded my 2013 ZL1 for it and I tend to drive it more than my C7 Vette. When I drove the 17 I remember saying “Chevy really got this right this time”. However, the new refresh just does not do it for me. Not that that really means anything or makes a difference. I just hope like hell they look better in person.

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Old 05-25-2018, 10:21 AM   #2187
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Itís not about right and wrong, but making enough waves that GM can hear us. Iím sure they know already the majorityís opinion on this refresh. So they can fix the next one. Having thousands of complains all around social media is good
They heard all the complaints when the Gen 6 came out , there was and still is a lot of people who don"t like it . GM don't care if you like the new design or not any more then they cared about people not being able to see out of it . No one knows for sure how well the refresh will sell,the majority is not always right .
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:33 AM   #2188
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I think a part of the issue here is that social media and forums are increasing in usage and society is growing more bold in voicing their opinions. The boundary of what people can and will say is no longer restricted to truths. Opinions get exaggerated and over emphasized and many are losing the clear line that divides fact and opinion. This was not as much an issue with previous changes as technology did not have as large a forum to allow voice.

Any change is going to have opposition. Often the strongest voices are from opposition NOT supporters.

There have been many voices questioning Chevy and their decisions. Ultimately they are a corporation that exists to make money, and that is where their loyalty exists. I don't understand the need to compare sales to Dodge or Mustang. I don't think the Camaro "target" is winning the sales "quantity" race, it is profit for Chevy.
It's a good thing the internet wasn't around when the 3rd generation first came out , i seen grown men cry back then . I do agree with you 100%, and Chevy won't allow the internet crowd refresh haters to run there corporation either.
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:35 AM   #2189
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I think a part of the issue here is that social media and forums are increasing in usage and society is growing more bold in voicing their opinions. The boundary of what people can and will say is no longer restricted to truths. Opinions get exaggerated and over emphasized and many are losing the clear line that divides fact and opinion. This was not as much an issue with previous changes as technology did not have as large a forum to allow voice.

Any change is going to have opposition. Often the strongest voices are from opposition NOT supporters.

There have been many voices questioning Chevy and their decisions. Ultimately they are a corporation that exists to make money, and that is where their loyalty exists. I don't understand the need to compare sales to Dodge or Mustang. I don't think the Camaro "target" is winning the sales "quantity" race, it is profit for Chevy.

Who cares. Only sheep and followers and non free thinkers buy into the social media effect. I'm on the other side. I rarely, if at any time, believe anything I see online so. I don't buy into what you trying to sell.



As far as Chevy goes. They gonna do what they do regardless of what goes on in here or on social media. It's about $ first. Not about what is being said and where. I won't lie tho, their commercials............wow. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz to death.
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:45 AM   #2190
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Chevy's advertising behavior tells me two things about their ad spend strategy:

1. They don't need to advertise the Camaro. It's profitable enough for the competition/market that it's in. And for their ad dollar, they don't perceive an improved bang/buck benefit by throwing more (any?) ad dollars at Camaro. It sells itself well enough for Chevy.

2. They do need to advertise their SUVs and sedans, where they need more attention on the brand to highlight their points of difference vs. competition and create demand where SUV's are a dime a dozen and sedans are dieing on the vine.

The old SWOT analysis. Camaro is strong. Sedans are weak. SUV options are a $/feature opportunity. And the entire world is a threat.
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:49 AM   #2191
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Do ads work anymore in this century? It’s not like you don’t or can’t inform yourself on their website, forums and so on. Clearly an ad doesn’t get thru me until I see a product by myself, read about it, inform myself and see real facts. Does anyone buy a car because they saw it on TV anymore?
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Old 05-25-2018, 11:54 AM   #2192
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Do ads work anymore in this century? Itís not like you donít or canít inform yourself on their website, forums and so on. Clearly an ad doesnít get thru me until I see a product by myself, read about it, inform myself and see real facts. Does anyone buy a car because they saw it on TV anymore?
Perhaps not, but it could make them go do a little more research on the internet though, and in this day and age, that's probably enough (if the research shows the car lives up to the hype).
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Old 05-25-2018, 12:58 PM   #2193
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Chevy's advertising behavior tells me two things about their ad spend strategy:

1. They don't need to advertise the Camaro. It's profitable enough for the competition/market that it's in. And for their ad dollar, they don't perceive an improved bang/buck benefit by throwing more (any?) ad dollars at Camaro. It sells itself well enough for Chevy.

2. They do need to advertise their SUVs and sedans, where they need more attention on the brand to highlight their points of difference vs. competition and create demand where SUV's are a dime a dozen and sedans are dieing on the vine.

The old SWOT analysis. Camaro is strong. Sedans are weak. SUV options are a $/feature opportunity. And the entire world is a threat.
With the Aplha Camaro, Chevy has accomplished changing perceptions without spending a dime. Every automotive writer and performance enthusiast now knows the entire Alpha Camaro line offers world class performance. They may dislike aspects of the Camaro or hate Chevrolet in general, but there it no denying itís capabilities. The Camaro is a stud.
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Old 05-25-2018, 01:16 PM   #2194
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I saw my first one today. It was a red SS. I honestly don't think anyone is going to change their opinion after seeing it in person... It looks exactly like it does in the pictures. Keep in mind I passed it on the freeway and this wasn't a close-up walk-around so take that for what it's worth.
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Old 05-25-2018, 01:18 PM   #2195
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They need to have a 30-second ad without voice-overs that simply shows the 1LE family lapping a track and ZL1s flying down backroads, and shows the Camaro logo at the end. Have a secondary ad with ZL1s at the drag strip and convertibles winding down mountain roads(with good exhaust notes). Let the cars do the talking. Heck, throw a Hellcat beside the ZL1 at the strip and GT350R on the track, both falling behind the Camaro.
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Old 05-25-2018, 01:22 PM   #2196
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It's a good thing the internet wasn't around when the 3rd generation first came out , i seen grown men cry back then . I do agree with you 100%, and Chevy won't allow the internet crowd refresh haters to run there corporation either.
I cried more when the 4thgen came out. Even though it performed better it was ugly. Im not of fan of this 2019 refresh ,but I would still take it anyday over the fourth. Thank god they were still making Trans Ams in those days.
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Old 05-25-2018, 03:34 PM   #2197
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I cried more when the 4thgen came out. Even though it performed better it was ugly. Im not of fan of this 2019 refresh ,but I would still take it anyday over the fourth. Thank god they were still making Trans Ams in those days.
I was not a fan of the 4thGen either. I had a 3rdGen and was very happy with it. Being a refresh this isn't as much of a change, but it sure has received a lot of attention.
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Old 05-25-2018, 08:06 PM   #2198
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The other problem I see is that while Chevy did basically nothing remarkable or commendable to the Camaro for 2019 (sans adding the A10), they degraded<bksp><bksp><bksp> switched to a polarizing new look and the Mustang got better in every way.

Granted, I haven't driven the 18 GT yet, but did see a few recently, and they look somewhat better, the interior is nice, Ford upgraded the engine (port injection! no more valve coking!), and reviews are also mostly positive. If I had to choose a new car today, I would seriously consider the Mustang, which is a pretty bad state of affairs for a Chevy guy. IMO my 2SS is still superior, but the margin is now razor thin. True, I could've gotten the 1LE, but still. Hope the 7th gen will be as amazing as the original 6th gen was/is.

This is not to say I'm not amazed by and absolutely satisfied with my car, because I am , it's just my 2 cents'.
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