Homepage Garage Wiki Register Community Calendar Today's Posts Search
#Camaro6
Go Back   CAMARO6 > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Forced Induction Discussions


Bigwormgraphix


Post Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-08-2022, 07:59 AM   #15
shinysun
 
Drives: 2016 Camaro SS
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Korea
Posts: 417
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrome383Z View Post
The JMS adapter wired into the 2V signal on mine. I thought it was 0-5v, but checking it I only got around 2 at wot. Maybe there’s another wire with a different signal? Wouldn’t think so but not sure.

(I don’t have smoothboost, I just checked the voltage at the JMS when I set it up)
Yap, there are 2 signals on pedal wires.
shinysun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2022, 09:01 AM   #16
Joshinator99


 
Joshinator99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS A8
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Petersham MA
Posts: 4,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by shinysun View Post
You wired to the wrong one. I had the same issue, but it was my fault.
Ok, which wire did you use @shinysun?
__________________
2017 Chevy Camaro 2SS A8 Whipple 3.0, Mast Black Label heads, Fore triple in-tank pumps, 112mm TB, LPE +52% injectors, LPE BB HPFP, 15” conversion 1059 WHP/944 WTQ, 9.48@150
Joshinator99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2022, 09:05 AM   #17
Joshinator99


 
Joshinator99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS A8
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Petersham MA
Posts: 4,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrome383Z View Post
The JMS adapter wired into the 2V signal on mine. I thought it was 0-5v, but checking it I only got around 2 at wot. Maybe there’s another wire with a different signal? Wouldn’t think so but not sure.

(I don’t have smoothboost, I just checked the voltage at the JMS when I set it up)
Ok, so my using the JMS t-harness didn’t help the situation…
__________________
2017 Chevy Camaro 2SS A8 Whipple 3.0, Mast Black Label heads, Fore triple in-tank pumps, 112mm TB, LPE +52% injectors, LPE BB HPFP, 15” conversion 1059 WHP/944 WTQ, 9.48@150
Joshinator99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2022, 10:40 AM   #18
Chrome383Z
 
Chrome383Z's Avatar
 
Drives: 2019 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: McCordsville, Indiana
Posts: 621
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshinator99 View Post
Ok, so my using the JMS t-harness didn’t help the situation…
Wonder why there’s two different signals. Be interesting to know. Wish I could help on grabbing the right one. I don’t know.
__________________
2019 Shock 2SS A10. 2650@10psi/LPE HPFP/XDI+30/LT4 LPFP+JMS/Soler 95mm/Rotofab, E65, CSP 2” Headers/GESI GenII Cats. MM Wild/GM SG3 suspension/1LE Brakes, Velgen VF5 Wheels/GY SC3. JRE Tuned.
Chrome383Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-08-2022, 12:07 PM   #19
Joshinator99


 
Joshinator99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS A8
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Petersham MA
Posts: 4,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrome383Z View Post
Wonder why there’s two different signals. Be interesting to know. Wish I could help on grabbing the right one. I don’t know.
I think I need to grab pin 5 off the pedal sensor. My shop is good at wiring, so I'm bringing the car in Friday morning to get that squared away and I'll report back.
__________________
2017 Chevy Camaro 2SS A8 Whipple 3.0, Mast Black Label heads, Fore triple in-tank pumps, 112mm TB, LPE +52% injectors, LPE BB HPFP, 15” conversion 1059 WHP/944 WTQ, 9.48@150
Joshinator99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2022, 01:16 AM   #20
shinysun
 
Drives: 2016 Camaro SS
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Korea
Posts: 417
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshinator99 View Post
Ok, which wire did you use @shinysun?
I am not sure at this moment. You better use a voltage tester.
I think I used the oppsite side of wire. for example , if you are using #2 pin now and it is 0~2V, the correct wire would be #4 in 5 pins.


I am also using JMS booster, and it is wiring to 0~2V wire.

I believe it is for the safty reason to have the 2 different voltage wires.
ECU monitoring the both and if there are some discrepency, the code will show up.
shinysun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-2022, 07:26 AM   #21
Joshinator99


 
Joshinator99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS A8
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Petersham MA
Posts: 4,755
Quote:
Originally Posted by shinysun View Post
I am not sure at this moment. You better use a voltage tester.
I think I used the oppsite side of wire. for example , if you are using #2 pin now and it is 0~2V, the correct wire would be #4 in 5 pins.


I am also using JMS booster, and it is wiring to 0~2V wire.

I believe it is for the safty reason to have the 2 different voltage wires.
ECU monitoring the both and if there are some discrepency, the code will show up.
I’m pretty sure I have to use pin #5 (think I’m on pin #2 now) and will confirm tomorrow morning. It makes sense why GM had 2 signals though…!
__________________
2017 Chevy Camaro 2SS A8 Whipple 3.0, Mast Black Label heads, Fore triple in-tank pumps, 112mm TB, LPE +52% injectors, LPE BB HPFP, 15” conversion 1059 WHP/944 WTQ, 9.48@150
Joshinator99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2022, 07:49 AM   #22
cjperformance

 
cjperformance's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro SS 50th Anniversary
Join Date: Apr 2021
Location: Missouri
Posts: 929
Anyone try this on a centri? Was thinking about putting on a smaller pulley to build more boost at lower rpm with the procharger, but limit it at higher rpms to keep the engine safe.

I dont really NEED this... just bored right now and want to play with something.
__________________
2017 50th Anniversary Edition | P1X Stage 2
DSX Aux Low Side | LT4 high side | Flex Fuel
TooHighPsi Port Injection (installed & tuning)
CircleD 3K Stall | QA1 CF Driveshaft
Forgestar F14 Drag 17x10 NT555R2 305/45/17 Rear
Forgestar F14 18x8 NT555G2 235/50/18 Front
10.84@131 w/4.13" pulley
??.??@??? w/3.7" pulley (installed & tuning)
cjperformance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2022, 09:43 AM   #23
ZO6Ted
Old badass
 
Drives: 14GMC 2.9 16GMC Turbos 2020Silv.6.2
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Arlington Tx
Posts: 240
Pretty sure ECS did this exact thing many years ago iirc correctly. They said it works.
__________________
I've had 7 Camaro's. All gone...for now.

Current build in progress 2016 GMC4x4 RCSB twin hair dryers ~1k whp fbe port inj 1/8 mi & stealth street terror
ZO6Ted is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2022, 10:45 AM   #24
cjperformance

 
cjperformance's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro SS 50th Anniversary
Join Date: Apr 2021
Location: Missouri
Posts: 929
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZO6Ted View Post
Pretty sure ECS did this exact thing many years ago iirc correctly. They said it works.
Smoothboost makes a centri boost controller for around $1K. This thread is how I learned about it. I might mess around with that sometime. I mean... that is the exact purpose of the kit... just... priorities.
__________________
2017 50th Anniversary Edition | P1X Stage 2
DSX Aux Low Side | LT4 high side | Flex Fuel
TooHighPsi Port Injection (installed & tuning)
CircleD 3K Stall | QA1 CF Driveshaft
Forgestar F14 Drag 17x10 NT555R2 305/45/17 Rear
Forgestar F14 18x8 NT555G2 235/50/18 Front
10.84@131 w/4.13" pulley
??.??@??? w/3.7" pulley (installed & tuning)
cjperformance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2022, 12:38 PM   #25
wnta1ss

 
Drives: 2017 Camaro 1SS
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: NH
Posts: 1,693
Quote:
Originally Posted by cjperformance View Post
Anyone try this on a centri? Was thinking about putting on a smaller pulley to build more boost at lower rpm with the procharger, but limit it at higher rpms to keep the engine safe.

I dont really NEED this... just bored right now and want to play with something.
Guys have put a wastegate onto a centrifugal setup (charge tube makes it like a turbo system), and then you can use a boost controller. However, you should keep in mind that if you overspin the blower relative to your top rpm desired boost level, then you'd be heating the air up a little more than needed, as far as I'm concerned. My opinion, it's not worth the bother for your car. The low end on these cars does not last long with a 4.56 first gear, so the low-end torque difference of a centri from a pd/roots style is nowhere near as big a deal in the 1/4 mile as some try to portray. I learned that lesson first hand, as my base Paxton centrifugal blower with stock torque converter ran a much quicker 60 foot (1.63) than the 1.8 some say a centri would do. You've already added the stall converter to yours, so I am expecting you to easily get 1.5 short times on DRs while still using the base pulley.
wnta1ss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2022, 02:52 PM   #26
cjperformance

 
cjperformance's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro SS 50th Anniversary
Join Date: Apr 2021
Location: Missouri
Posts: 929
Quote:
Originally Posted by wnta1ss View Post
Guys have put a wastegate onto a centrifugal setup (charge tube makes it like a turbo system), and then you can use a boost controller. However, you should keep in mind that if you overspin the blower relative to your top rpm desired boost level, then you'd be heating the air up a little more than needed, as far as I'm concerned. My opinion, it's not worth the bother for your car. The low end on these cars does not last long with a 4.56 first gear, so the low-end torque difference of a centri from a pd/roots style is nowhere near as big a deal in the 1/4 mile as some try to portray. I learned that lesson first hand, as my base Paxton centrifugal blower with stock torque converter ran a much quicker 60 foot (1.63) than the 1.8 some say a centri would do. You've already added the stall converter to yours, so I am expecting you to easily get 1.5 short times on DRs while still using the base pulley.
Good info. I do intend to get at least a couple solid baseline passes on the DRs (on the way) before I do any more changes. Otherwise... wont know if it does any good!
__________________
2017 50th Anniversary Edition | P1X Stage 2
DSX Aux Low Side | LT4 high side | Flex Fuel
TooHighPsi Port Injection (installed & tuning)
CircleD 3K Stall | QA1 CF Driveshaft
Forgestar F14 Drag 17x10 NT555R2 305/45/17 Rear
Forgestar F14 18x8 NT555G2 235/50/18 Front
10.84@131 w/4.13" pulley
??.??@??? w/3.7" pulley (installed & tuning)
cjperformance is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2022, 05:57 PM   #27
Joshinator99


 
Joshinator99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS A8
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Petersham MA
Posts: 4,755
So, just to confirm that you do indeed need wire #5 to get 4.0+ volts needed to fully extend the actuator. And the final result is PERFECT! Boost comes on much more smoothly and the tires are happier for it. Driveability is definitely better. Around town you can turn the dial way down, end up with just a few pounds of boost and still have more power than most cars on the road. And with the Kong-ported Whipple, boost is up from 14.7 to 15.9 at full kill! Looking forward to getting to back on the dyno and see where I ended up.
__________________
2017 Chevy Camaro 2SS A8 Whipple 3.0, Mast Black Label heads, Fore triple in-tank pumps, 112mm TB, LPE +52% injectors, LPE BB HPFP, 15” conversion 1059 WHP/944 WTQ, 9.48@150
Joshinator99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-10-2022, 08:16 PM   #28
shinysun
 
Drives: 2016 Camaro SS
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Korea
Posts: 417
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshinator99 View Post
So, just to confirm that you do indeed need wire #5 to get 4.0+ volts needed to fully extend the actuator. And the final result is PERFECT! Boost comes on much more smoothly and the tires are happier for it. Driveability is definitely better. Around town you can turn the dial way down, end up with just a few pounds of boost and still have more power than most cars on the road. And with the Kong-ported Whipple, boost is up from 14.7 to 15.9 at full kill! Looking forward to getting to back on the dyno and see where I ended up.

Congratulations!
shinysun is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Post Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.