[foshjowler]

Originally Posted by HCI2000SS

The Supra is way underrated. Even the peak hp numbers are significantly higher than the V6 Camaro

I would put the new Supra performance up next to an SS rather than a V6. Unless you're talking about the 2.0T Supra, which I would match to the V6 or 2.0T Camaro.

[HCI2000SS]

Originally Posted by foshjowler

I would put the new Supra performance up next to an SS rather than a V6. Unless you're talking about the 2.0T Supra, which I would match to the V6 or 2.0T Camaro.

Definitely. Several dyno tests and trap speeds at the track confirm its very underrated. Lots of people see a factory power rating and assume it's completely accurate, which is obviously not always true

[Laubin69]

The Honda accord is surprisingly quick....I've had my type R spanked more than once by an accord. Granted this is in a straight line.
Tire and suspension differ on the v6 model Camaro's- they have a different mission....hop in an SS or 1LE( a turbo 4 1le is a track weapon) equipped Camaro and its noticeably more sporty.
I'd love to try out that BMW Supra..I mean toyota...

[TXCSSU]

I think the lightest Camaro is heavier than the heaviest Accord. Even a few hundred pounds can make a difference.

[HCI2000SS]

About the weight difference....a fully loaded 2.0t Accord Touring is slightly heavier than a base 2.0t Camaro. Also the Accord is slightly underrated (and FWD drive train loss is less than RWD loss) they are very evenly matched in their 2.0t variants

[Bosse'sBoss]

It would be a very difficult choice by comparing the performance of a Camaro V6 VS the Accord 2.0T

[keep_hope_alive]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

It would be a very difficult choice by comparing the performance of a Camaro V6 VS the Accord 2.0T

I'm replacing a 2014 Accord Sport with a 2023 1SS. I had a 2001 EXV6 before that. My experience is that the Accord platform is rock solid, reliable, and a joy to drive (once stock brakes are swapped out). I have 210k miles on the 2014 Accord and it still feels like new. A new Accord was the no-brainer solution but I felt the time was right to satisfy a life-long dream of having a legit muscle car. Not a fair comparison given the $10k price difference. If I wasn't going with a V8, I don't think I'd be considering the Camaro (or any other muscle car) and I'd stick with Honda.

My main reason from moving away from the Accord is that I don't think they have their Turbo motors dialed in yet, with too much fuel getting by the piston rings and into the crankcase. Also, I'm not getting rid of the Accord and with a 2019 Camry SE in the garage also, we didn't need a third 4cyl sedan.

[Gen6cyl]

Car & Driver lightening lap 2018 Accord sport 2.0 T 3:18.4 . Camaro v6 1le 3:04

[Vaska]

Ugh this degenerate thread keeps getting bumped unnecessarily.

[Malbjey]

Originally Posted by Vaska

Ugh this degenerate thread keeps getting bumped unnecessarily.

You literally don't have to click on the thread. And you contributed to bumping it.



Oh look I bumped it too!

[keep_hope_alive]

Originally Posted by Gen6cyl

Car & Driver lightening lap 2018 Accord sport 2.0 T 3:18.4 . Camaro v6 1le 3:04

Better comparison would be a Turbo 4 2LT without a track package... but then the Camaro is much cheaper. Of course the V6 1LE is faster on a track.

I bumped it again also.

[Gen6cyl]

I think the Camaro is more fun to drive. BUMP

[LTfun]

Originally Posted by Blobby

I have a 2016 v6 ragtop. And I feel that I have to clarify my driving background. I am sporty everyday driver, not a sporty driver. My typical limit is about 1/2 throttle, but occasionally go to 3/4. I rarely make it to 4K rpm. I’ve never come close to reaching the point where the tires start letting go of the road... if that ever happened, I would think that calamity would ensue. Anyone know how much typical car engines can take? How much throttle and how close to redline can you get on a regular basis without affecting engine and part life?

This is mind-blowing to me. Not in a bad way, it's actually kind of nice to hear. I honestly didn't know there were Camaro owners like this out here. FWIW once a car is fully warmed up (not just engine temperatures but everything else), I drive it like I stole it or I try to set a new record for MPGs, with very little in between. I don't think redline and throttle input effect engine (once the car has been warmed up, how to warm a car up is a whole other can of worms) life much compared to maintaining adequate lubrication and preventative maintenance. Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by foshjowler

You can absolutely push it to the redline without doing damage. That's why it's there, as an "if you go further you could risk damaging things, but below here you're fine." That's where the power in the V6 is anyway. I wouldn't drive down the highway just banging the rev limiter, but during acceleration with your foot to the floor, it's fine.

A lot of modern cars, especially those with turbos, have peak torque below 3k rpm because the majority of drivers don't go beyond 3k on a normal basis. So on something that was not designed with that as a goal, driving it like that won't feel as peppy as something that was.

As far as handling goes, I'm positive that at the limit the Camaro is better, but below that, it's certainly possible the Accord feels sportier. Feel is a very engineered thing that the designer make deliberate choices around. It can be the size, suspension tuning, and even as simple as an alignment that will drastically change how a car feels, even at lower speeds. Stiffer springs will make a car feel far sportier than something softer, but that doesn't make the car faster at the limit.

Originally Posted by DaveC113

Camaro's Alpha chassis was designed 1st for Cadillac and it was designed to handle a 650hp SC V8, so it's more composed and buttoned-down, especially in lower power versions... however at the limit the Camaro chassis shows it's self to be one of the best in the world for a midsize sedan chassis, and with SS+ power levels you can really appreciate how it puts power down.

Also, the Accord Sport is a great car and Honda has been refining it for decades. It's always been a really good car. It's also engineered to feel more on the sporty side, where the Camaro can be a little too smooth and feel boring sometimes in comparison.

Well said.

Originally Posted by HCI2000SS

Definitely. Several dyno tests and trap speeds at the track confirm its very underrated. Lots of people see a factory power rating and assume it's completely accurate, which is obviously not always true

I would like to see this info if possible. I was under the impression that in more recent years this is pretty much impossible due to regulatory compliance(s). Unlike the horsepower wars in japan durring the 90s, these days if an MFG is caught lying about power output it can be a VW level recall. With that said peak power doesn't tell the whole story.

Originally Posted by Vaska

Ugh this degenerate thread keeps getting bumped unnecessarily.

Yeah I thought new accord vs gen6 Camaro would've been apples to oranges but he's got a point. Donut media did a great video on perception of speed vs actually fast cars.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Both cars do not compare, they are the best on their own: Accord: the best non luxury sedan, very reliable, practical with great space. Fast with its 2.0T and with great MPG with its Hybrid engine. Camaro is a superb handling Sport Muscle car with its amazing Alpha platform greatly combined with a strong V8 engine.