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Old 12-21-2017, 12:47 PM   #15
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Please clarify. Does the starter run at normal speed and it just takes the engine longer to start, or is the starter cranking slower than normal? Mine cranks fine, but takes a second or so for the engine to start. That would seem normal to me.
Go to 4:17 of the video. Not normal. It seems like a very low battery. But, I've never seen a low battery be able to crank that long. Usually you'll hear just a bunch of clicks by then.
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Old 12-21-2017, 09:40 PM   #16
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It sounds so sad! Mine has the same problem except it only cranks 2-3 times like that and then turns over.
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Old 12-21-2017, 10:18 PM   #17
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It is definitely a starter issue. It may be from heat soak or it may be a faulty starter, or it may be a combination of both. Like I had stated in my earlier post it happens on hot days after hard driving. Any other time car starts up almost right away as it should. I don't have any videos but when my starter finally gave up it would make about one to two very slow revolutions of the starter and all interior lights dimmed to almost nothing before the car would go back to ACC mode. The starter was drawing too much amperage. I even let it sit for about 30 min hoping it would cool off enough to restart but then when I tried cranking it again smoke came out from under the hood and you could smell the starter burning up. At that point just had it towed to dealer where starter was replaced and have had no issues since, but I have not driven it hard in hot weather since so I can't totally say if it is fixed. But it was very similar to the slow start in the video, but even slower.
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Old 12-22-2017, 10:41 AM   #18
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SO THIS IS THE SECOND STARTER THAT HAS BEEN INSTALLED ON MY 16 SS. NOW, THIS STARTER IS STARTING TO DO THE SAME THING AS MY FIRST ONE DID AFTER 2 MONTHS OF RUNNING GREAT.
There have been a lot of good ideas here, but the fact that a 2nd starter worked well then somehow developed a problem is difficult to understand.
I assume you will be taking this in again for warranty service.
I think you may have a sliding pinion engagement problem. If the gears do not engage smoothly, the flywheel and/or sliding pinion will wear, and this will take time to happen. Assuming you do get a new starter (likely approach by service), I would ask them to examine the sliding pinion for unusual wear patterns. They most likely did not do this last time. Probably just threw out the old starter and were happy when the new one worked.
Battery is worth checking, but that would not explain why a brand new starter worked immediately.
Heat soak sounds unlikely. Heat soak is typically a solenoid problem and prevents engagement. Sounds like you are getting engagement, then slow cranking.
Starter relay contacts can wear, but, again, a new starter would likely have problems right away if the relay contacts were worn.
Are you 6 speed or automatic? Clutch drag can be a problem in manual cars (clutch not fully pulling back pressure plate when depressed).
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Old 12-22-2017, 11:14 AM   #19
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There was another post but I can't find it.was something to do with crankshaft main thrust bearing.
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Old 12-29-2017, 02:22 PM   #20
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Iím having the same issue on my 2016 ss. Hopefully itís just the starter. Mine cranks at times and it wonít start at all. Then a burned smell happens right after. They told me that itís because of my audio sound system I put on. Donít believe that, Iíve had it for a over a month and now itís happening.
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Old 12-29-2017, 02:25 PM   #21
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It is definitely a starter issue. It may be from heat soak or it may be a faulty starter, or it may be a combination of both. Like I had stated in my earlier post it happens on hot days after hard driving. Any other time car starts up almost right away as it should. I don't have any videos but when my starter finally gave up it would make about one to two very slow revolutions of the starter and all interior lights dimmed to almost nothing before the car would go back to ACC mode. The starter was drawing too much amperage. I even let it sit for about 30 min hoping it would cool off enough to restart but then when I tried cranking it again smoke came out from under the hood and you could smell the starter burning up. At that point just had it towed to dealer where starter was replaced and have had no issues since, but I have not driven it hard in hot weather since so I can't totally say if it is fixed. But it was very similar to the slow start in the video, but even slower.
This is the same issue I’m having right now with my car. They tried to tell me that it’s because of my aftermarket sound system . I don’t believe that since I’ve had them disconnect all my system so they can diagnose my car without it but it keeps doing the same problem.
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Old 12-29-2017, 02:48 PM   #22
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Nothing New started in1967 /////http://camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=874.0
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Old 07-20-2018, 04:42 PM   #23
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Don't know about the link and the new thread. I have LTs, so when it started going over 100 in Texas, the starter cranked slowly, now that it is 102 in the shade, about 110 in the lot, my starter is locked up. I will get a new stater and wrap the header tubes near the starter. It is a heat issue no doubt in my mind the stater expands internally and is rubbing against something and when too hot does not spin at all.

OK, I get it, I have LT and this is Texas, but clearly, there is a heat / performance issue with starter, OEM. I going to do a rebuild and probably pull the OEM apart.
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Old 07-20-2018, 10:59 PM   #24
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On my second starter as well. Old starter eventually would not start when the car was hot. It would barely turn over. Got stranded twice. New starter fires right up even when hot. Tested it multiple times. It's only been a month so we will see.
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Old 07-21-2018, 01:46 AM   #25
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We've seen this type of thing repeatedly with Rotax motors. Hot temps, high compression and the starter just really has a lot of work cut out for itself when hot. MOAR juice is almost always the solution - but if the starter can't handle the load, meh....square one.

It's interesting as the trend - thank God not on Camaro - is for big SUV's to shut off at stops and restart the instant brake pedal release is detected. This must require some big honkin starter capacity?
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Old 07-21-2018, 02:43 PM   #26
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many of the start stop starters on hybrids are build into the bell housing.... FYI.

I dropped mine today and you can smell the burned up smell. I put a blanket on the starter, I put the factory shield back on. I heat wrap thee of the header tubes that were close to the starter. Hopefully this one last 3 years!

Will post picks later.
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