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06-02-2023, 07:23 PM | #32 | |
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I get wanting more performance but to be mad because it's black...good lord. Let's face it, it could be any other color and people would still bitch about it for some reason. Either because it's just another GM appearance package or because the color doesn't have enough metallic in it to gleam like a diamond in a goat's ass when the sun hits just right. lol |
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Yes, yes, yes. I know..lol just sayin' a unique color doesn't make it collectable. For sure the ZL1 and the matte will have it's buyers. But the uniqueness is watered down with the same "theme" in less desirable, and probably not even collectable at all CE badged models and trims...All good...
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06-03-2023, 12:49 AM | #34 | |
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06-03-2023, 07:12 AM | #35 | |
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Agree ! Seems like a fail to me ! GM all in on EV's, big mistake So glad I didn't wait for the special edition , just picked up my new 2SS last week, love the color, Radiant Red, the Black Panther edition does nothing for me. Matte black, ugh , a trend already on it's way out.
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06-03-2023, 07:32 AM | #36 | |
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It's on us customers to change this outlook itself, no amount of complaining, convincing or presentation will make them change course a hundredth of a degree. (Before someone chimes in with "you just described capitalism", no, it isn't that, but this shouldn't become a political thread )
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06-03-2023, 07:39 AM | #37 |
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To be collectible a car must be rare and desirable. GM is trying to get people to focus on the rarity, but is a special paint and trim enough to make it desirable?
For Camaro buyers I see desirable features are one’s that focus on performance. An engine with just 5 more horsepower would make this desirable just for bragging rights. Or some special handling package. The market has not put a huge premium on special edition Indy pace cars, shock and steel editions, etc. I would put this in the same category. Here are the adjustments Hagerty has for 2015 SS Camaros as a guide: -20% for 6-cyl, +5% for 2SS, +10% for Transformers Edition, +10% for Hot Wheels Edition, +10% for manual trans on SS, +15% for 1LE, +30% for COPO when ordered with all available engines. You can do better with a 1LE package than a special edition. |
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I wonder if there is any way to determine how many units of CEs, or how many units of all other trim levels will be produced. A production year of roughly six months with a known end-date looks to me like there will be a lot of disappointed potential buyers.
I would think gm has a number in mind....A planned end of production would have to use up what components are needed, with supplies ramping down and many options left exhausted and impossible to build. Things seem hard enough now with the '23s to get built and delivered. I don't see any urgency to improve on that for '24 especially with the brand being terminated. Good luck. I don't think we've seen anything yet in the frustration to get your car department..... |
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06-04-2023, 06:23 PM | #41 |
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Rarity isn’t the only measure of desirability in determining which cars become more collectible than others, and many of the other colors and equipment configurations actually may end up being more rare than the black CEs anyway.
I for one have no interest in a parts-bin, paint-and-stickers CE. Almost all of the “special” parts except the Panther logos are coming from existing Camaro models. The worst case is the ZLE spoiler. The reason ZLEs are on constraint right now is because the supplier can’t produce enough of these spoilers, likely because they’re being stockpiled for the 2024 models that start production soon. I also have no interest in another black car. I saw a perfectly wrapped flat-black 6th-Gen yesterday, and it looked like a lump of coal. The lack of reflectivity in the surfaces totally hid all the interesting curves and character lines of the body. Fun cars should be fun colors! |
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I’d hope production is still at least in the 500s for ZLE’s like someone mentioned on another thread: https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=608085
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