My Neighbor Thinks His Scat Pack Challenger is a Race Car - Page 2

ZPirate · 06-01-2023, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by funked1

We usually have someone running one of those Challengers at our autocross series. 4 to 6 seconds off the pace.

Yep. No contest between a 1LE and a Skat Pack Challenger on an autocross course.

Briland_1LE · 06-01-2023, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by arpad_m

I'm sure many Civic Type-R owners consider theirs a race car, too.

A civic type R is as much a racecar as a 1LE is soooooo

Briland_1LE · 06-01-2023, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ZPirate

Yep. No contest between a 1LE and a Skat Pack Challenger on an autocross course.

you should hit him with a challenge as a joke, find a wide sweeping turn and see who could hold the highest speed on it.

Puddin · 06-01-2023, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Race one at Autocross. They are absolutely the real deal.

Scatpack/WB on the other hand...laughable doing the same.

I agree 100%. Not really a Civic guy but the R is a wicked little car. If you can get one without the insane mark-up it's a pretty good deal for the money.

AZCamaroFan · 06-01-2023, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mariojas

Ours isn't 20y old but it is also somewhat heavy and sedan'y... Camaro looks bigger than CT5-V Blackwing when side by side

not really.
you couldn't get it much lighter, and certainly no shorter. Camaro has a world class chassis.

JamesNoBrakes · 06-01-2023, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

not really.
you couldn't get it much lighter, and certainly no shorter. Camaro has a world class chassis.

It's a bit of a mind-****. I had a 2010. I noticed when I got in the 2018 how it was definitely smaller inside. I also notice in my garage the big gaps front and rear where it obviously doesn't take up as much space. The front overhang is non-existent.

But you look at it, it still looks "huge". Maybe it's the oversize 20" wheels, but it doesn't "look small", despite being significantly smaller than the last one.

AZCamaroFan · 06-01-2023, 11:03 AM

i had a great picture of a 67' and a 2016 side by side, but lost it in a computer reboot. definitely wider, but those old cars had very slim doors. but length wise the 6 is only a couple inches longer, fenders much taller which gives it the bigger more muscular look.

mariojas · 06-01-2023, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

It's a bit of a mind-****. I had a 2010. I noticed when I got in the 2018 how it was definitely smaller inside. I also notice in my garage the big gaps front and rear where it obviously doesn't take up as much space. The front overhang is non-existent.

But you look at it, it still looks "huge". Maybe it's the oversize 20" wheels, but it doesn't "look small", despite being significantly smaller than the last one.

Man, Camaro is the same length and wider than 2011 Ford Fusion (4 door sedan!) I replaced...

arpad_m · 06-01-2023, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Race one at Autocross. They are absolutely the real deal.

Scatpack/WB on the other hand...laughable doing the same.

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Originally Posted by Puddin

I agree 100%. Not really a Civic guy but the R is a wicked little car. If you can get one without the insane mark-up it's a pretty good deal for the money.

I would never call a front wheel drive hatchback with a 4-cyilnder engine a "race car". This doesn't mean it can't be fast and nimble and relatively lightweight, it's just not a race car in my books.

Is there even a definition for this? Seems like this classification is completely subjective anyway, but a "good car" or "fast car" still isn't necessarily a "race car". Even the ZL1 1LE isn't a proper race car. The Tesla Model S Plaid did a 7:35.9 on the Nürburgring, yet who would call that a race car.

JamesNoBrakes · 06-01-2023, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by arpad_m

Is there even a definition for this?

Yes, a car designed to be competitive in performance in it's class that you can beat/thrash over and over again. Basically, a car designed to race.

bootss · 06-01-2023, 02:32 PM

scat (interj.)

"filth, dung," by 1950, from Greek stem skat- "dung" (see scatology).

ZPirate · 06-01-2023, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Yes, a car designed to be competitive in performance in it's class that you can beat/thrash over and over again. Basically, a car designed to race.

Technically I'd say a race car is a car designed, built and used for competitive racing. In other words not a street car, although certain street cars could be raced or tracked.

Gen6cyl · 06-01-2023, 05:23 PM

There have been many spec race car series in the scca. Some less than 200 hp, but still race cars.

BluinSC · 06-01-2023, 05:51 PM

I call them Snack Packs

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Gen6cyl Drives: Chevy Camaro 2021 ,rs, v6, manual Join Date: Feb 2022 Location: Georgia Posts: 868	There have been many spec race car series in the scca. Some less than 200 hp, but still race cars. __________________ B6 dampers, x pipe, mbrp axel back

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