[cvp33]

Sorry I gave you bad info. I have R18 F and R10 R. Both sets are pre-bedded.

[Christian1LE]

Interesting that you're reporting the Hawks DTCs last less than the carbotechs did? That seems to be the opposite to what other people say. I always hear the Hawks last longer but are harder on rotors.

I hope that's not the case, I only used carbotech last season and switched to the Hawks this season with new rotors(my old rotors were done with 17 track days)

My carbotech pads (I went through 5 of them on the front, 3 on the rear) lasts between 300-450 miles for the front and 800 rear of track use, about 2 weekends.

[cvp33]

CILE, not sure if that was directed at me or not. I copied and pasted some real race feedback from the Mustang gang and their experience running a lot more pads than I have. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

I’ve been using Hawk DTC 70/60 for years and was happy with the longevity and performance but couldn’t argue about how brutal they were on rotors. I always had heat checking on day 1 that I had to watch really close late in day 2 and definitely in day 3. To be clear this was only ever the fronts, rears last at least twice as long as fronts (pads/rotors).

I run black/red groups and I’m not fully confident that my driving style wasn’t somewhat to blame. I’m encouraged that the owners of g-loc are former carbotech guys and that others (not all, but a majority) claim the g-locs are every bit as capable AND they’re easier on rotors.

Unfortunately there are so many variables with pads that you never quite get the definitive evidence that you do with racing tires and lap times.

[Christian1LE]

Yeah I was responding to what you posted(didn't know it was a copy/paste), seems a little biased considering they are gloc distributor. Some of what they said about only gloc being on the podium at SCCA ect also seems a bit silly. I'll find out for myself I guess. Going to run the DTC and see how long my rotors last. I've kept pretty good record of all my track miles and maintenance so it shouldn't be too hard.

My old rotors were extremely cracked from heat but they wore down to 31mm before the cracks ever made it to the edges so I don't think the heat stress will be an issue as far as that goes.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by Christian1LE

Interesting that you're reporting the Hawks DTCs last less than the carbotechs did? That seems to be the opposite to what other people say. I always hear the Hawks last longer but are harder on rotors.

I hope that's not the case, I only used carbotech last season and switched to the Hawks this season with new rotors(my old rotors were done with 17 track days)

My carbotech pads (I went through 5 of them on the front, 3 on the rear) lasts between 300-450 miles for the front and 800 rear of track use, about 2 weekends.

Originally Posted by cvp33

CILE, not sure if that was directed at me or not. I copied and pasted some real race feedback from the Mustang gang and their experience running a lot more pads than I have. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

I’ve been using Hawk DTC 70/60 for years and was happy with the longevity and performance but couldn’t argue about how brutal they were on rotors. I always had heat checking on day 1 that I had to watch really close late in day 2 and definitely in day 3. To be clear this was only ever the fronts, rears last at least twice as long as fronts (pads/rotors).

I run black/red groups and I’m not fully confident that my driving style wasn’t somewhat to blame. I’m encouraged that the owners of g-loc are former carbotech guys and that others (not all, but a majority) claim the g-locs are every bit as capable AND they’re easier on rotors.

Unfortunately there are so many variables with pads that you never quite get the definitive evidence that you do with racing tires and lap times.

I have the exact opposite experience.

I had a 2014 Mustang Coyote powered GT and the XP12s lasted me 4 days at Mid Ohio, Grattan and Gingerman tracks, with very little street usage.

Over the last 2 seasons the DTC60s in the (much bigger 6 pot calipered) Camaro lasted for 8 track days, and 8000k street miles. No fade, and I'm now 2-5s faster per lap on each of those tracks compared to my Mustang days.

When I lived in Germany I had PFC08s on my 4 piston Brembo equipped BMW M2. 12 track days over 3 seasons on Nurburgring Nordshleife, Hockenheimring and Spa Fracorchamps, and they were only 50% done. Needless to say I'm never going back to Carbo/Glock ever again after these experiences.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by cvp33

CILE, not sure if that was directed at me or not. I copied and pasted some real race feedback from the Mustang gang and their experience running a lot more pads than I have. Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

I’ve been using Hawk DTC 70/60 for years and was happy with the longevity and performance but couldn’t argue about how brutal they were on rotors. I always had heat checking on day 1 that I had to watch really close late in day 2 and definitely in day 3. To be clear this was only ever the fronts, rears last at least twice as long as fronts (pads/rotors).

I run black/red groups and I’m not fully confident that my driving style wasn’t somewhat to blame. I’m encouraged that the owners of g-loc are former carbotech guys and that others (not all, but a majority) claim the g-locs are every bit as capable AND they’re easier on rotors.

Unfortunately there are so many variables with pads that you never quite get the definitive evidence that you do with racing tires and lap times.

Not to highjack the thread, but since you're clearly an enthusiast and you have the ZL1 1LEs 'Ring time as your Avatar, I figured you may appreciate one my better laps on the Ring.



Not quite 7:16, but at least the first number is the same

[cvp33]

I could watch track video all day…….and sometimes I do. LOL I’m no Randy Propst but hit consistent 2:02’s in traffic on NT-01’s and Hawks……that’s it. Here’s my buddy chasing me in a race prepped GT3, gutted/caged on Hoosiers.

https://youtu.be/EKU9e19CBHY

https://youtu.be/_U6k5fCfyrs

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by cvp33

I could watch track video all day…….and sometimes I do. LOL I’m no Randy Propst but hit consistent 2:02’s in traffic on NT-01’s and Hawks……that’s it. Here’s my buddy chasing me in a race prepped GT3, gutted/caged on Hoosiers.

https://youtu.be/EKU9e19CBHY

https://youtu.be/_U6k5fCfyrs

Super cool!

Yeah, I'm no pro either, which is why I'm super excited to have done multiple 7min laps on the Ring. All my vids are on F1 or Cup2 at best, 200 rated street tires.

Very cool videos, you clearly know the track and how to drive it. Well done

A few guys I work with who run NASA have invited me to come to VIR this fall. I'm stoked to try it, and will do my best not to embarase myself

[BoilerUP]

Howdy folks...new member here with the Camaro's cousin, thinking about possibly getting a 1LE for the wife as she's expressed an interest in HPDE. A LOT more Camaros being tracked than ATS-Vs so sharing the Alpha platform its nice to compare notes.

Anyway...

I did six days last year using OE HP1000 brake pads on my ATS-V, and honestly thought they worked pretty well for a 3900lb semi-daily sedan. I switched to G-Loc in late summer, GS1 on street and R12/10 for track. The GS1s dust a lot less on street than the HP1000 did, and the R12/10 combo does a great job with 200tw tires. I typically slap the track pads in when I put track tires on (takes <25min for all four corners) then drive the track pads home.

I was originally planning to use DTC60s but the stories about corrosive dust and excessive rotor wear, along with Hawk's own recommendation to not use their Performance Ceramic street pads on rotors that have seen DTCs, pointed me toward G-Locs.

Datapoint of one.

[SCCAForums]

G-Loc guy here as well... and use just the R8, so that they work 'cold' (for Auto X) and still handle the 'lap after lap'!

Best regards,
Dave

[rcoe]

Lots of good info.

Thinking I will go with the Gloc's. Either the 10's or 12's will be going on for just track days. - Probably just start out with the fronts and keep using the track day pads on the rear until they are used up.

Thanks for all the good info.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Howdy folks...new member here with the Camaro's cousin, thinking about possibly getting a 1LE for the wife as she's expressed an interest in HPDE. A LOT more Camaros being tracked than ATS-Vs so sharing the Alpha platform its nice to compare notes.

Anyway...

I did six days last year using OE HP1000 brake pads on my ATS-V, and honestly thought they worked pretty well for a 3900lb semi-daily sedan. I switched to G-Loc in late summer, GS1 on street and R12/10 for track. The GS1s dust a lot less on street than the HP1000 did, and the R12/10 combo does a great job with 200tw tires. I typically slap the track pads in when I put track tires on (takes <25min for all four corners) then drive the track pads home.

I was originally planning to use DTC60s but the stories about corrosive dust and excessive rotor wear, along with Hawk's own recommendation to not use their Performance Ceramic street pads on rotors that have seen DTCs, pointed me toward G-Locs.

Datapoint of one.

FYI, I swap back and forth on OE rotors between the OE Brembo pads, and DTC60s with no issues. The corrosive dust might be a problem in the wet, since then it will sticl more, but after 2 years of using DTC60 all summer, I can see no sign of damage or corrosion on the wheels or anywhere else.

Also I love seeing CTS-Vs at tracks days!

[cvp33]

Originally Posted by 5.M0NSTER

FYI, I swap back and forth on OE rotors between the OE Brembo pads, and DTC60s with no issues. The corrosive dust might be a problem in the wet, since then it will sticl more, but after 2 years of using DTC60 all summer, I can see no sign of damage or corrosion on the wheels or anywhere else.

Also I love seeing CTS-Vs at tracks days!

You would’ve loved this flying pig.

[Slurpee]

Anyone have experience with gloc R16s? I like 1.11’s but they’re getting very expensive. I like running 1.11s F/R, so that would be my preference for the R16s.