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Old 06-09-2018, 08:03 AM   #15
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Very nice power bump, happy for you. Just wish my ECS had worked like that.

Some info for those who don't know, this kit is actually a Vortech, but with a badge saying 'ECS' instead of 'Vortech' on the supercharger.

Something to look out for mikey1107, if you are going to run your car on a road course, I'd suggest getting the base SS track-pack brake deflector kit to catch a little air under the car. Reason being, this kit compromises the passenger-side brake cooling duct in 2 ways: it blocks a good portion of it with the intercooler, and the brake duct is cut substantially for clearance. Since you did not do the install yourself, I'm guessing you might not have been aware of this, and wanted to mention it in case it's relevant to your use of the car.
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Old 06-09-2018, 08:23 AM   #16
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Very nice power bump, happy for you. Just wish my ECS had worked like that.

Some info for those who don't know, this kit is actually a Vortech, but with a badge saying 'ECS' instead of 'Vortech' on the supercharger.

Something to look out for mikey1107, if you are going to run your car on a road course, I'd suggest getting the base SS track-pack brake deflector kit to catch a little air under the car. Reason being, this kit compromises the passenger-side brake cooling duct in 2 ways: it blocks a good portion of it with the intercooler, and the brake duct is cut substantially for clearance. Since you did not do the install yourself, I'm guessing you might not have been aware of this, and wanted to mention it in case it's relevant to your use of the car.


I thoroughly read the install instructions and I was aware of it but it’s good info to have out there. My car is primarily a daily driver and I do not get many opportunities to track it but when I do I’ll use the track brake deflectors as you mentioned.
ECS may have to chime in on this but I thought I read a post that they said they make a couple of changes to the Vortech kit but overall it was Vortech.

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Old 06-09-2018, 09:06 AM   #17
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Do you know what size pulley you have on it? If your car is bone stock I bet you are getting more than 8psi. Get yourself a catch can to vent that crank a little better. Great numbers man!
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Very nice power bump, happy for you. Just wish my ECS had worked like that.

Some info for those who don't know, this kit is actually a Vortech, but with a badge saying 'ECS' instead of 'Vortech' on the supercharger.

Something to look out for mikey1107, if you are going to run your car on a road course, I'd suggest getting the base SS track-pack brake deflector kit to catch a little air under the car. Reason being, this kit compromises the passenger-side brake cooling duct in 2 ways: it blocks a good portion of it with the intercooler, and the brake duct is cut substantially for clearance. Since you did not do the install yourself, I'm guessing you might not have been aware of this, and wanted to mention it in case it's relevant to your use of the car.

The Procharger kit completely removed the drivers side ducting. I'm not running that side radiator so I probably fashion something for the brakes, I was thinking of a cool air induction setup for the air filter
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Old 06-09-2018, 11:21 AM   #19
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The Procharger kit completely removed the drivers side ducting. I'm not running that side radiator so I probably fashion something for the brakes, I was thinking of a cool air induction setup for the air filter
I left my driver side cooler on and actually moved it closer to the front. You took yours off completely?
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:19 PM   #20
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His baseline numbers were practically the same as mine on our Dynojet. My A8 only made 385 stock. Nice gains! I made about 8psi when I first installed the kit.
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:53 PM   #21
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Very nice power bump, happy for you. Just wish my ECS had worked like that.

Some info for those who don't know, this kit is actually a Vortech, but with a badge saying 'ECS' instead of 'Vortech' on the supercharger.

Something to look out for mikey1107, if you are going to run your car on a road course, I'd suggest getting the base SS track-pack brake deflector kit to catch a little air under the car. Reason being, this kit compromises the passenger-side brake cooling duct in 2 ways: it blocks a good portion of it with the intercooler, and the brake duct is cut substantially for clearance. Since you did not do the install yourself, I'm guessing you might not have been aware of this, and wanted to mention it in case it's relevant to your use of the car.
The ECS kit directly from ECS use a Paxton Novi 1500 which is similar to the Procharger D1SC. There is a similar kit that uses the tiny Vortech blower and you are lucky to get 500whp with it.
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:01 PM   #22
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ECS may have to chime in on this but I thought I read a post that they said they make a couple of changes to the Vortech kit but overall it was Vortech.
They might specify what pulley combination is supplied, and specify that the nameplate on the blower says ECS on it, but the kit is actually made by Vortech/Paxton. My ECS kit came directly from Vortech/Paxton. My kit has the 1500SL supercharger.

On the pulley subject, I'm also wondering what pulleys yours was supplied with. Recently I found my invoice and it said 8psi 30 tooth supercharger, but my kit came with a 32t installed on the supercharger.
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Old 06-09-2018, 07:54 PM   #23
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ECS supercharger installed

On the pulley subject, I'm also wondering what pulleys yours was supplied with. Recently I found my invoice and it said 8psi 30 tooth supercharger, but my kit came with a 32t installed on the supercharger.[/QUOTE]



I just counted, mine has 32 teeth.


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Old 06-10-2018, 04:35 AM   #24
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I left my driver side cooler on and actually moved it closer to the front. You took yours off completely?
Yep, I figure if anything I'd go to a better center unit and / or Mishimoto passenger side. I really would like to get rid of the oil to water cooler and run something like the Mishimoto oil to air setup, but I got a big honking intercooler in the way. This is literally my first car that the entire front is taken up with heat exchangers or duct for heat exchangers.
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Old 06-10-2018, 07:22 AM   #25
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Congrats !!! .... Your results were very similar to mine (398rwhp/389tq stock #s and with ECS boost 550rwhp/510tq) on a 100% stock A8 SS so now that more of these kits are making it out its showing some nice consistency in results.

So far in its current state I have liked and enjoyed this kit (the price is right ) very fun on the street/track and I hope you do also and have good luck with it.

I am having a few things on this kit changed soon to make way for future plans and adding a few other items so we shall see how that goes .... hopefully we see the results at the track were I want them the most

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Old 06-10-2018, 07:31 AM   #26
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They might specify what pulley combination is supplied, and specify that the nameplate on the blower says ECS on it, but the kit is actually made by Vortech/Paxton. My ECS kit came directly from Vortech/Paxton. My kit has the 1500SL supercharger.
The base kit is mostly Paxton/Vortech (Vortech hardware and Paxton Head Unit) with some ECS tweaks and different tuning.

If you buy the Vortech only version of this kit it is not the same exact kit as the ECS setup.

However, the version of the kit with the larger Paxton HU (ie 2200R and etc) will have much more ECS involvement from what I understand but they have not finalized this setup yet.

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The base kit is mostly Paxton/Vortech (Vortech hardware and Paxton Head Unit) with some ECS tweaks and different tuning.

If you buy the Vortech only version of this kit it is not the same exact kit as the ECS setup.

However, the version of the kit with the larger Paxton HU (ie 2200R and etc) will have much more ECS involvement from what I understand but they have not finalized this setup yet.

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Yep...If you buy from Vortech you get the V3-SI supercharger that is rated for 1150cfm(775hp max). Pretty much comparable to Prochargers old P600b unit. It's also the same price as the ECS kit which includes the Paxton Novi 1500 that is rated 1400cfm(900hp max). So in a nutshell, with the Vortech kit, you pay the same price and get a supercharger that is smaller then the Procharger P1SC.

To help those out looking at superchargers here is a list of head-units and their ratings.


Vortech V3-SI 3.6 ratio, Flow 1150cfm, Max HP 775

Procharger P1SC 4.10 ratio, Flow 1200cfm, Max HP 825

Procharger P1x 4.10 ratio, Flow 1275cfm, Max HP 875

Procharger D1SC 4.10 ratio, Flow 1400cfm, Max HP 925

Paxton Novi 1500, 3.61 ratio, Flow 1400cfm, Max HP 950

Procharger D1X, 4.10 ratio, Flow 1500cfm, Max HP 1000
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Yep...If you buy from Vortech you get the V3-SI supercharger that is rated for 1150cfm(775hp max). Pretty much comparable to Prochargers old P600b unit. It's also the same price as the ECS kit which includes the Paxton Novi 1500 that is rated 1400cfm(900hp max). So in a nutshell, with the Vortech kit, you pay the same price and get a supercharger that is smaller then the Procharger P1SC. Not to mention the Intercooler is smaller in the Vortech kit.

To help those out looking at superchargers here is a list of head-units and their ratings.


Vortech V3-SI 3.6 ratio, Flow 1150cfm, Max HP 775

Procharger P1SC 4.10 ratio, Flow 1200cfm, Max HP 825

Procharger P1x 4.10 ratio, Flow 1275cfm, Max HP 875

Procharger D1SC 4.10 ratio, Flow 1400cfm, Max HP 925

Paxton Novi 1500, 3.61 ratio, Flow 1400cfm, Max HP 950

Procharger D1X, 4.10 ratio, Flow 1500cfm, Max HP 1000
Yep and thanks for posting that info on the different head units very helpful for people looking at the current kits ..... One thing I wanted to add though ... The V3-SI and TI are very underrated and efficient (Very efficent at lower boost levels!!!) little blower units if you don't believe me look at the results of the Coyote guys and A&A kit Corvette guys ... some surprising times and dyno results from that little head-unit (some easily in the 700 rwhp range so again its a bit underrated ).

Basically what I'm saying is that in the end of the day any of those head units listed are capable of toasting a stock gen V LT1 bottom end on full tilt so I wouldn't get too caught up on the size of the super charger on a mostly stock car ... Now if we are talking a stroked 416,427 or nasty 376 build then yes you would want as much flow potential as possible.

And wnta1ss I have mentioned before I was sorry to hear about your issues with the ECS kit but I have to believe your issue is tuning (this kit can be hard to tune for some shops because of the location of the sensor in the Intercooler especially if your car is an A8 makes the tuning even more difficult but some shops now have this figured out or just use speed density but its not optimal). Also now we have more results from this kit that are almost exactly like my results were in the beginning so I have a hard time believing that your results are the "norm" for this setup. But either way I feel for you that the results weren't as hoped in your situation/setup and I wish you luck in the future!

Just a thought on that.

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