03-25-2023, 06:58 AM | #15 | |
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03-25-2023, 07:26 AM | #16 | |
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Absolutely true! Nearly every EV review is about the operating experience, not the driving experience outside of the boring description of how quick they accelerate. I'm so tired of the EV posts going back and forth about the viability of them, range, charging... etc. I don't care if they have a 1000mi range, charge in 30s, and operating themselves, i want to know if the driving experience can replace a masterpiece like the 6th gen Camaro. |
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03-25-2023, 07:56 AM | #17 |
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I'm glad you're enjoying your EV. What I'm more glad about is that it appears as though Chevrolet/gm is going to let Camaro die internal combustion powered. I think it's awesome that gm is potentially coming out with a Chevrolet Panther as their muscle EV car. It has heritage as the original Camaro intended name, but is something original to not just rebadge a new car with an old nameplate.
As they sit right now, in my opinion, EVs will be a fad like 3D TVs. One day they will disappear quietly like 3D TVs did. They're a neat idea, but they're still an inferior vehicle compared to their internal combustion powered counterparts.
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03-25-2023, 08:59 AM | #18 | |
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Brand new $42,000 for a Tesla Model 3. 90% of society doesn't live in the top 10% of the economy. That's something most people fail to understand. TL : DR Call me when they make a $25,000 EV that isn't a piece of shit. Oh and for those that don't know. Your tesla is connected via cloud servers directly to Tesla, they can control your vehicle and settings and even override any potential changes you make without your knowledge. You signed that agreement when you bought the car.
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03-25-2023, 10:05 AM | #19 | |
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I agree the prices need to come down but keep in mind the average price of a new vehicle is now ~$45k. When you consider the tax credit of $7,500 for those that qualify and the fuel savings this car is reasonable. Chevy will release the Equinox EV and Tesla is supposedly working on a $25k Model 2. We will see lower cost models eventually but it takes time since the traditional manufacturers need to be profitable. For example, Ford loses money on those Mach Es they build and Tesla cutting prices is forcing them to lose even more per unit.
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03-25-2023, 10:09 AM | #20 |
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My wife and I have no delusions that electric energy is clean energy. Trust me, we are not voting for"green" energy initiatives. We are not voting for tax payer money going to subsidize the EV push. I pay a lot just like my fellow hard working taxpayers, I do not want to pay more than my share of taxes for an agenda that the market will sort out in time.
To the point that the car is overpriced: $7,500 fed tax credit, $2,000 California rebate, and local utilities & AQMD paying for most of the cost on home charging station. We saved over $10,000. With local utility incentives, it's costing about $12.50 for 250 miles of range compared to $62 for my Camaro and my SUV. I'm paying over $5.00 a gallon today. With the all these incentives, the Model 3 Performance will be about $44,000. The base would be about $33,000. If it does turn out to be a piece of junk, I already have depreciation of vehicle covered for the next 3 years according to current resale value. However, my gut is telling me this is not a bad car. Time will tell...
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03-25-2023, 10:10 AM | #21 | |
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03-25-2023, 10:16 AM | #22 | |
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Dodge is trying to come up with something but electronic exhaust noises and simulated shifts is probably not going to work.
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03-25-2023, 10:26 AM | #23 | |
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I haven't driven any other EVs but the Model 3 handles a lot better than most people think it will. I mean it pulls almost 1g in the skidpad without any fancy mag ride suspension or coilovers and the Tesla aftermarket is getting stronger and improve any handling desires. https://unpluggedperformance.com/mod...ance-upgrades/
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03-25-2023, 10:33 AM | #24 |
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If they ever built a Camaro EV, it would probably look good to me. But I’m a manual transmission guy so right off the bat, it’s a no Camaro EV for me. The tax rebate and Tesla prices do have me considering one for the wife down the road. If a EV Blazer SS is $66k, I would think a loaded EV Camaro SS single motor starting at $60k if lucky.
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03-25-2023, 10:35 AM | #25 | |
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03-25-2023, 11:00 AM | #26 |
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I did 40-90 pulls on my Honda VFR800 motorcycle against my Bros Model 3 performance and we were neck and neck. I was busting ass and he was just pressing the pedal, I was impressed by performance. But everyone can do it=easy and boring to me.
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03-25-2023, 11:12 AM | #27 | |
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lets not pretend that petroleum is somehow a clean and environmentally efficient fuel source. |
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03-25-2023, 11:45 AM | #28 | |
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I've got a Model 3 Perf - Had it almost 2 years. Prior to that I had an Audi S3 for almost 4 years (and prior to that a string of other fast / fun cars). The Tesla is overpriced for the build quality, but it is a fantastic piece of engineering that offsets it. The near linear power delivery with AWD makes for seriously giggle inducing accleration. Its a fantastic road trip car - we've done the NorCal -> SoCal trip a dozen times and done to Palm Springs, up to Tahoe, etc. The Autopilot takes a lot of the fatigue out of driving those long trips. We just drove up to Tahoe in my the truck ('04 2500HD Duramax) and after 6 hrs I was mentally tired from driving the truck - in the Tesla I just plop the autopilot on, keep a hand on the steering wheel and monitor it to make sure its not doing something dumb or dangerous. The downside, and I think this is where I agree with you on the handling aspects. The handling can best be described as a Frightened Squirrel. The front end is darty, there's very little feedback in the steering, the tires are wowefuly too narrow for its overall weight and the brake provide little to no feedback which makes modulation difficult (for me). I missed driving something that handled well and was, for lack fo a better term, 'fun' to drive. The Tesla, in its current form, isn't it. The Audi, for me, was a good compromise - it did road trips OK (had adaptive cruise control), but was also fun to drive and toss around. For me I think teh combination fo the telsa for daily driving / road trips and the SS 1LE for, well.. driving like a hooligan, is a good combination. I dont' think Iw ould want an SS 1LE as my only daily driver. its harsh, loud, trunk access is shitty (I can't fit a bicycle in the trunk or back seat for example). We may not like it, but electric (or hybrid) is the future. We are the dinosaurs now. |
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