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Old 01-23-2018, 04:38 PM   #169
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Old 01-26-2018, 09:13 PM   #170
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Hate to tell you but the a10 is just better over all period this isnít just for the camaro either. Z06 hellcat SS doesnít matter. The gear spread on the autos keeps it incthe power band much better.
Im not denying the m6 is equal to, much less better, in the 1/4. My question was just how can an ss m6, even though slower, run within a couple tenths of an a8 when an m6 zl1 (which has tighter gearing than an m6 ss) is around .5-.7 slower? Did closing the gap between gears in the m6 slow the car down?

So what youíre saying is an a10 is worth almost half a second in the 1/4? So if GM decided to put the a10 in the ss, itíll run 11.4-11.5?

A few weeks ago I raced a hellcat challenger in the 1/4, me with full bolt ons and street tires (I have a c7 z51 now, btw) vs him with tires. He ran 11.0ís to my 11.2. Auto hellcats with tires seem to be in the 10.8 range. Again, not arguing the manuals are equal in the 1/4, I agree with you about that, Iím just questioning the variance in times.

I think the only hope an m6 zl1 has against an auto zl1 is from a roll. Even the m6 stays above 5k rpms from a roll from the right speed in the right gear. Even though the a10 shifts faster than any human could in a manual, as its shifting though those gears, it will hit one and be lower in rpms than an m6. If you want proof, check out the m6 vs a10 on motor trend when the compared them on a road course. On the last straight you can see both cars exit the last turn at almost the EXACT same speed, with the m6 actually crossing the line 3-4 mph faster. Thatís not scientific by any means, donít get me wrong, but it can be a loose way to gauge both cars acceleration from a rolling start.

I think with a competent driver, an m6 will probably still lose to an a10 from a roll, but I think itíll definitely be a lot closer than it is in the 1/4

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I disagree because an A10 ran into the 9's with a STOCK A10 and drivetrain.

So the ZL1'ws drivetrain package has been well over-proven.

I'd look at the prior "AW-Chit" history with the M-Camaros and M-Corvettes to tell you of GM's lack of motivation in fixing this most important issue of Bogging @ Launch.
I didnít have a problem launching my m6 c6. The point I was making with that is the driver has the ability to launch the zl1 m6 at a max rpm of 4K. The car makes 650 tq at 3600 rpms. I think itís a lot easier on a drivetrain launching an auto at 2k rpms (400-500 tq) and rolling into the throttle and/or having the computer step in some than it is dumping the clutch in an m6 at its peak tq rpm. Thatís a lot of power hitting the driveline all at once and perhaps GM, in an effort to keep those parts happier longer, took more aggressive steps to minimize that shock.
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Old 01-26-2018, 09:48 PM   #171
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Im not denying the m6 is equal to, much less better, in the 1/4. My question was just how can an ss m6, even though slower, run within a couple tenths of an a8 when an m6 zl1 (which has tighter gearing than an m6 ss) is around .5-.7 slower?
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Totally agree with the transmission vs. performance comments. The 1/4 mile performance delta between the A10 and M6 is suspiciously large. I'd add this slightly different comparison too...The A10 ZL1 is capable of running ~1 second faster quarters than the A8 SS, but the M6 ZL1 only runs a couple tenths faster than the M6 SS.

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I didn’t have a problem launching my m6 c6. The point I was making with that is the driver has the ability to launch the zl1 m6 at a max rpm of 4K. The car makes 650 tq at 3600 rpms. I think it’s a lot easier on a drivetrain launching an auto at 2k rpms (400-500 tq) and rolling into the throttle and/or having the computer step in some than it is dumping the clutch in an m6 at its peak tq rpm. That’s a lot of power hitting the driveline all at once and perhaps GM, in an effort to keep those parts happier longer, took more aggressive steps to minimize that shock.
I'm sure GM has an interest in protecting the driveline, but I wanted to point out that the initial shock still happens. The mechanisms we all feel are getting in the way don't seem to be protecting against the initial shock. The M6 ZL1 actually jumps off of the line pretty good, and then immediately nose dives.

It seems to me like the systems are attempting to help the car maintain/regain traction and ultimately help the driver maintain control. It just doesn't feel like they are tuned optimally.
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Old 01-30-2018, 11:57 AM   #172
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This has my vote. I've been driving manual cars for 25 years and I do find starting this car (sometimes) difficult - like its pulling throttle for some reason. I have found myself adding in extra gas pedal to compensate but the net result is more slipping clutch at start and I dont like that. It needs to be more linear/natural.

BTW, I do not launch hard in my car often, I'm just referring to daily driving.
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Old 01-31-2018, 12:21 AM   #173
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I also voted in support of Mr. Lambert and fellow M6 ZL1 M6 Constipationists.

My 1LE should be here shortly and IF I experience this KNOWN FACTORY DEFECT and IF the Dealer cannot fix the issue I WILL ENACT THE LEMON LAW AND PURSUE A FULL REFUND.

Get thus !@#$% FIXED!
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Old 02-02-2018, 08:42 AM   #174
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I also voted in support of Mr. Lambert and fellow M6 ZL1 M6 Constipationists.

My 1LE should be here shortly and IF I experience this KNOWN FACTORY DEFECT and IF the Dealer cannot fix the issue I WILL ENACT THE LEMON LAW AND PURSUE A FULL REFUND.

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