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Turbo99 · 11-07-2013, 07:22 PM

I recently put 3.91 gears and a Tru Trac in and ran 8 passes with my best 10.87@129 and then broke the Tru Trac. I am look for pros and cons of each.

The ZL1 is about 4500 with all the parts and the 9" is gonna be about 6000.i have heard many issues with the 9" such as vibrations and leaks but most come with a warranty,it that could be the older models not sure, the ZL1 is designed by gm for our cars and is a larger gear, but carries no warranty and has no options for an upgraded carrier but it may not need one.

I do plan on taking the car to the 9s eventually but not for awhile. any comments from experience would help.

Pro Stock John · 11-07-2013, 07:30 PM

... Or pick up a ZL1 take out for less? $6K wow that's a lot.

376LS3 · 11-07-2013, 07:36 PM

You broke a TruTrac and youre only in the 10s? (I say ONLY in the sense of parts breaking, I know 10s are awesome!) Maybe Ill reconsider the TruTrac and just go Hammerhead.

Turbo99 · 11-07-2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 376LS3

You broke a TruTrac and youre only in the 10s? (I say ONLY in the sense of parts breaking, I know 10s are awesome!) Maybe Ill reconsider the TruTrac and just go Hammerhead.

8 passes, and about 400 miles I don't dump the clutch either. I'll post the video of the run before it broke.

Turbo99 · 11-07-2013, 08:30 PM

About 1:30 I run in the video.

Chris82xx · 11-07-2013, 08:41 PM

To break a Tru Trac is off. Besides the Hammerhead, there's one forum member on here that runs 9's using the stock casing with a Tru Trac. In answer to your question however, both are good selections. On one hand, with the 9", some companies offer lifetime warranties, some don't. On the other hand, I can't recall anyone breaking a ZL1 rear end and the casing on those are completely made of iron.

376LS3 · 11-07-2013, 08:42 PM

That didnt look abusive at all???? That sure doesnt sell me on TruTrac! Are you running a line-lock? My car doesnt stay that still during a burn out. Lol!

*SSE 4 2SS* · 11-07-2013, 09:29 PM

I'm a fan of the nine inch set up... I run a wave track diff in a strange center section...

BigRed · 11-07-2013, 09:51 PM

I love my 9". I'm set up with a Gforce 9", strange pro iron pumpkin with a wave trac. Buy from Gforce and get a lifetime warranty.

I also have not had any of the leaking issues that you mentioned.

SUX2BU · 11-07-2013, 09:52 PM

Do what I did. Find a used DSS 9" kit for $1,500 and sell your stock stuff for $1,000. Nothing beats a $500 9"!

RRTX-SS · 11-07-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SUX2BU

Do what I did. Find a used DSS 9" kit for $1,500 and sell your stock stuff for $1,000. Nothing beats a $500 9"!

Damn!!!!! 1500 for a 9"

I wish I could find those kind of deals......that's awesome man

Turbo99 · 11-07-2013, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris82xx

To break a Tru Trac is off. Besides the Hammerhead, there's one forum member on here that runs 9's using the stock casing with a Tru Trac. In answer to your question however, both are good selections. On one hand, with the 9", some companies offer lifetime warranties, some don't. On the other hand, I can't recall anyone breaking a ZL1 rear end and the casing on those are completely made of iron.

I am not sure I follow the comment of "breaking a true Trac is off" are you saying it doesn't add up? I don't abuse my car I lift when I shift, it broke on a 1.51 60ft so whether it be 9s or not it was a solid hook and it broke. I was under the same impression as many that it would hold fine and the ring and pinion was going to be my weak link

Turbo99 · 11-07-2013, 11:59 PM

So no one in this thread has had a vibration issue with the 9"?
What about weight difference between the 2, I would think the ZL1 stuff would be heavier since it is larger and an iron case, but does anyone have any numbers to put on it?

BigRed · 11-08-2013, 07:40 AM

No vibration here. Mine is just as smooth as factory. U do not know the weight difference though. I remember seeing Casey from Gforce post some numbers a while back though. It's not as big of a difference as you might think though.

11-07-2013, 07:22 PM	#1
Turbo99 Drives: 08' F250 Diesel & 10' Camaro 2SS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Gainesville,Fl Posts: 1,362 View My Garage	9" or ZL1 rear or NEW Strange DANA 60 I recently put 3.91 gears and a Tru Trac in and ran 8 passes with my best 10.87@129 and then broke the Tru Trac. I am look for pros and cons of each. The ZL1 is about 4500 with all the parts and the 9" is gonna be about 6000.i have heard many issues with the 9" such as vibrations and leaks but most come with a warranty,it that could be the older models not sure, the ZL1 is designed by gm for our cars and is a larger gear, but carries no warranty and has no options for an upgraded carrier but it may not need one. I do plan on taking the car to the 9s eventually but not for awhile. any comments from experience would help. __________________ 08' F250 CCSB 6.4L Diesel White & Black, Blacked out, 580RWHP @ 55psi 13.21 @ 101mph 10' Camaro 2SS LS3 M6 White & Black, Blacked out, 684 RWHP & 633 FT.LBS @ 10psi 10.82@130mph TVS2300 ,Hendrix Street Slayer Twin Carbon Clutch, Dana 60 3.73, DSS 1400HP Axles,JRe cam & LaMotta Performance tuned,LPE Fuel, AI Super Chiller,MT ET Streets Last edited by Turbo99; 11-08-2013 at 09:56 AM.

11-07-2013, 07:30 PM	#2
Pro Stock John Writer Drives: 2010 SS / 1967 Camaro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 7,216	... Or pick up a ZL1 take out for less? $6K wow that's a lot. __________________ PROJECT HEAVY CHEVY Camaro Now: Mods for the Masses Part I \| Part II 13.15@106 1.95 \| 100% Stock 12.37@112 1.85 \| + Kooks Headers/Cats + 20" 555R + CAI + BW TB + UDP + Tune 12.06@113 1.70 \| + CD 3200 + 18" NT05R + RCR Intake + NE OTR + GPI Tune 11.84@115 1.59 \| + 3.91s + Race Star 17x7 Fronts 10.90@125 1.47 \| + GPI VVT Cam + BW Ported Heads + CD 3800

11-07-2013, 07:36 PM	#3
376LS3 Eh, that'll happen Drives: 2010 2SS Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 1,841	You broke a TruTrac and youre only in the 10s? (I say ONLY in the sense of parts breaking, I know 10s are awesome!) Maybe Ill reconsider the TruTrac and just go Hammerhead. __________________ 2010 Camaro SS LS3 - No Modz

11-07-2013, 08:30 PM	#5
Turbo99 Drives: 08' F250 Diesel & 10' Camaro 2SS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Gainesville,Fl Posts: 1,362 View My Garage	About 1:30 I run in the video. __________________ 08' F250 CCSB 6.4L Diesel White & Black, Blacked out, 580RWHP @ 55psi 13.21 @ 101mph 10' Camaro 2SS LS3 M6 White & Black, Blacked out, 684 RWHP & 633 FT.LBS @ 10psi 10.82@130mph TVS2300 ,Hendrix Street Slayer Twin Carbon Clutch, Dana 60 3.73, DSS 1400HP Axles,JRe cam & LaMotta Performance tuned,LPE Fuel, AI Super Chiller,MT ET Streets

11-07-2013, 08:41 PM	#6
Chris82xx Make your peace with God! Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/RS M6 Convertible Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 1,595	To break a Tru Trac is off. Besides the Hammerhead, there's one forum member on here that runs 9's using the stock casing with a Tru Trac. In answer to your question however, both are good selections. On one hand, with the 9", some companies offer lifetime warranties, some don't. On the other hand, I can't recall anyone breaking a ZL1 rear end and the casing on those are completely made of iron. __________________ ECS base supercharger (NOVI 1500SL), ECS AlKY control kit, 92mm TB, ARH 1 7/8" LT's non-catted, Borla 3" exhaust, ID850 injectors, Squash fuel system, ECS Big Blower Cam, MGW short throw shifter, DSS 1000hp axles, LGW differential cover, billet caps, Tech AFX heater hoses, Pedders differential bushings, Eaton TrueTrac differential, PRC dual valve springs, Katech C5R timing chain, ATI balancer, Meilings oil pump, Pfadt Trailing Arms, Pfadt Tie Rods, Pfadt Sway Bars, Pfadt End Links, DSS Aluminum Driveshaft 811RWHP/719RWTQ UNDER MAJOR OVERHAUL!!

11-07-2013, 08:42 PM	#7
376LS3 Eh, that'll happen Drives: 2010 2SS Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 1,841	That didnt look abusive at all???? That sure doesnt sell me on TruTrac! Are you running a line-lock? My car doesnt stay that still during a burn out. Lol! __________________ 2010 Camaro SS LS3 - No Modz Last edited by 376LS3; 11-07-2013 at 09:05 PM.

11-07-2013, 09:29 PM	#8
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,500	I'm a fan of the nine inch set up... I run a wave track diff in a strange center section... __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

11-07-2013, 09:51 PM	#9
BigRed Drives: SS RS SIM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Greenville, KY Posts: 201	I love my 9". I'm set up with a Gforce 9", strange pro iron pumpkin with a wave trac. Buy from Gforce and get a lifetime warranty. I also have not had any of the leaking issues that you mentioned.

11-07-2013, 09:52 PM	#10
SUX2BU Quit being a pu$$y Drives: FAST Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Sachse TX (DFW) Posts: 5,825 View My Garage	Do what I did. Find a used DSS 9" kit for $1,500 and sell your stock stuff for $1,000. Nothing beats a $500 9"! __________________ <----- Click HERE to see ALL of my mods/write ups

11-07-2013, 11:59 PM	#13
Turbo99 Drives: 08' F250 Diesel & 10' Camaro 2SS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Gainesville,Fl Posts: 1,362 View My Garage	So no one in this thread has had a vibration issue with the 9"? What about weight difference between the 2, I would think the ZL1 stuff would be heavier since it is larger and an iron case, but does anyone have any numbers to put on it? __________________ 08' F250 CCSB 6.4L Diesel White & Black, Blacked out, 580RWHP @ 55psi 13.21 @ 101mph 10' Camaro 2SS LS3 M6 White & Black, Blacked out, 684 RWHP & 633 FT.LBS @ 10psi 10.82@130mph TVS2300 ,Hendrix Street Slayer Twin Carbon Clutch, Dana 60 3.73, DSS 1400HP Axles,JRe cam & LaMotta Performance tuned,LPE Fuel, AI Super Chiller,MT ET Streets

11-08-2013, 07:40 AM	#14
BigRed Drives: SS RS SIM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Greenville, KY Posts: 201	No vibration here. Mine is just as smooth as factory. U do not know the weight difference though. I remember seeing Casey from Gforce post some numbers a while back though. It's not as big of a difference as you might think though.