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10-06-2016, 10:57 AM
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 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Sep 2015
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Roll Racing and stock axles
I know their is a lot of variables to account for but what you say is the strength of stock axles from a roll. So far I've pushed my stock rear end up to 900rwhp hp from a roll on sticky tires and haven't had an issue.
So my question is has anybody broken axles from a roll? or anything in the rear end? If so was it on the street or some kind of prepped air strip or something and what power lvl. |
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10-06-2016, 12:28 PM
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i was driving my buddy 2011 ss with 650 wheel hp and i snapped both axles hitting a 3rd to 4th gear shift on the street. so it can happen at any time. easy to replace if you know how to turn a wrench. since then he got DSS 1000HP Axles.
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10-06-2016, 01:02 PM
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Drives: own more cars than i can list Join Date: Nov 2010
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Roll racing is not near as hard as a standing start, the only thing i would say is this. They will more then likely hold as long as you dont break free, spin and get traction again or wheel hop. But the material the axles are made from are not all that great a material, think of a old coat hanger it will take bending for a bit but eventually it will break. The stock axle will also do this, strength is one side but having hi grade chromoly on a part like this is used so it actually has a higher fatigue cycle so it can bend and come back over and over.
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10-06-2016, 05:42 PM
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I was 680rwhp for a long time and never had a problem keeping it to rolls.
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2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X |
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10-08-2016, 03:25 PM
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 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Oklahoma
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I have been running at the Texas Mile now since 2010.
I am up to 950 RWHP and 209MPH. Manual Trans, stock Axles-no Issues. If I want to go faster I have to go aftermarket gears to get a somewhere around 3-3.10 ratio. Really big money for these. Anyone want to sponsor?
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10-09-2016, 12:57 AM
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With my new motor setup and 8,700 rpm shifts I go 225-230 in 4th gear.. Are you running this month, if so, I would like to meet up in person...
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Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough... |
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10-09-2016, 08:41 AM
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Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010
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I am skipping Oct. this year, planning on April again I think. We were probably there together in April. I got a screw in my tire 1st run on Sat and had to quit.
I am right at redline (7200) at the end of the mile in 5th. Around a 3.10 would get me 220-230 in 5th. Except for the clutch my driveline is all stock, 3.27 ratio. Who's rear end are you running?
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10-09-2016, 11:35 AM
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Drives: 2010 ss camaro Join Date: Nov 2014
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1400 dss axles and half shafts might be weaker than factory 2-3 shift they snap almost every couple of passes on 765 rwhp on 20" nitto 555r's. Warranty lol Frank's warranty lol!
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2010 transformer, vertical doors, 315nt05 rears, pedders supercar coilovers, hotchkis sway bars, links, adjustable, toe bars, bmr poly cradle bushings, 1le control arms, bmr tunnel brace, bmr subframe connectors. Cam 227/239-623-620@114 Mast medium bore heads, sw 1 7/8 headers, cat delete, x pipe, 3" dynomax true duals, fuel rails, fast 102 intake and NW 102 throttle body, catch can, rotofab cai, shifter, raptor custom shift light. Dss drive shaft, 3.91 gears. 492 rwhp
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10-09-2016, 04:12 PM
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I've thought about going to a 3.27 ish gear, to help my intermediate speeds... I have a lot of gear left in 5th, as my gear ratio and rams allow for 299.XX in 5th gear... If I brought that down to say 265-270 at the redline in 5th, my intermediate trap speeds would be higher... resulting in a faster overall pass... We are still trying to shake the car out and work through minor issues with the new power plant...
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If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough... |
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10-09-2016, 04:19 PM
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I have many passes with close to three times the power and have never broken one. I would be looking hard at the set up/driving style if I had broken them multiple times. For starters the 20 inch Nittos provide traction with no sidewall for softening the blow of a hard shift or launch...
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If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough... |
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10-09-2016, 05:22 PM
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2010 transformer
Drives: 2010 ss camaro Join Date: Nov 2014
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Totso did it also on 18's! I have a friend who did it also.
So wouldn't 20's and hard 555's spin before driveshaft and half shafts were just around 650 before e85 while street tuning.
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2010 transformer, vertical doors, 315nt05 rears, pedders supercar coilovers, hotchkis sway bars, links, adjustable, toe bars, bmr poly cradle bushings, 1le control arms, bmr tunnel brace, bmr subframe connectors. Cam 227/239-623-620@114 Mast medium bore heads, sw 1 7/8 headers, cat delete, x pipe, 3" dynomax true duals, fuel rails, fast 102 intake and NW 102 throttle body, catch can, rotofab cai, shifter, raptor custom shift light. Dss drive shaft, 3.91 gears. 492 rwhp
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10-09-2016, 05:42 PM
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As for the driveshaft, if nothing has changed, then it would take some looking to determine the cause of failures. If an aftermarket diff has been installed, then the pinion angle needs to be verified and corrected if any issue is found. I know you have a lot of good aftermarket parts according to your signature line. Do you have upgraded bushings as well to stabilize the rear cradle. is everything tight and has a full complete alignment been performed to ensure not only the toe/caster/camber but the alignment of the rear cradle as well. Just things to look at... Nothing in the driveline has changed or been moved since April, but I will still take my car in prior to running the mile and have everything checked to make sure nothing has changed/moved. When we changed my transmission, and ordered a new custom driveshaft, (4" one piece aluminum) we spent hours verifying the pinion angle between he trans and the diff. This was due to motor plating the engine.... Small changes can make a big difference...
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If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough... |
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10-09-2016, 06:19 PM
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Drives: 2010 ss camaro Join Date: Nov 2014
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2010 transformer, vertical doors, 315nt05 rears, pedders supercar coilovers, hotchkis sway bars, links, adjustable, toe bars, bmr poly cradle bushings, 1le control arms, bmr tunnel brace, bmr subframe connectors. Cam 227/239-623-620@114 Mast medium bore heads, sw 1 7/8 headers, cat delete, x pipe, 3" dynomax true duals, fuel rails, fast 102 intake and NW 102 throttle body, catch can, rotofab cai, shifter, raptor custom shift light. Dss drive shaft, 3.91 gears. 492 rwhp
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10-09-2016, 07:37 PM
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If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley
Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough... |
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