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BlaqWhole · 08-17-2019, 05:43 PM

Between the ZL1, ZLE, Base GT500, and CF GT500, what is the weight distribution looking like?

lt4camaro · 08-17-2019, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Between the ZL1, ZLE, Base GT500, and CF GT500, what is the weight distribution looking like?

GT500 is 56+% front 43+ %rear

ChefBorOzzy · 08-17-2019, 08:25 PM

525 pounds - Weight difference between base Mustang GT and GT500.

250 pounds - Weight difference between 1SS and ZL1 automatic.

Shows how decontented base Mustang is.

Gunkk · 08-18-2019, 06:48 AM

Proper engineering has its price.

Baldilocks01SS · 08-19-2019, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by GuywithL86

There is no way the c8 z51 will outperform the c7 z06, that's laughable.

The c7 z06 is one of the best handling cars ever made. It pretty much beats everything in cornering capability except maybe the zr1. Any cars that are faster than the z06 pretty much only beat it in the straight line, which they are indeed much faster in. The z06 only traps at like 125-128mph, and it's running the same lap times as cars trapping 135+.

So to say a 500hp c8 is going to beat the z06 at anything except 0-60 is very unbelievable.

A chassis and weight balance designed by jesus is not going to overcome 150hp, huge downforce, and huge top of the range tires.

The only chance it has is if it weighs like 3100lbs or less, but that is highly doubtful.

This mid engine platform WILL handle better. There is no getting around that fact.

NW-99SS · 08-19-2019, 11:57 AM

I predicted the GT500 to be 4200lbs, now I am sad that I was very close to being correct.

I still hope the CF Track Pack is lighter, but that hope is diminishing quickly.

p.s. Are those factory hood pins on a 180mph limited GT500? If so, why?

newmoon · 08-20-2019, 06:53 AM

I was thinking we were going to be around 4100 but we are sitting at 42xx, the CF package should drop 75-80 lbs which puts it 41xx, what does the ZL1 1LE A10 weigh?

Baldilocks01SS · 08-20-2019, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

I was thinking we were going to be around 4100 but we are sitting at 42xx, the CF package should drop 75-80 lbs which puts it 41xx, what does the ZL1 1LE A10 weigh?

3850ish.

hotlap · 08-20-2019, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

I was thinking we were going to be around 4100 but we are sitting at 42xx, the CF package should drop 75-80 lbs which puts it 41xx, what does the ZL1 1LE A10 weigh?

GT500 - 4,225 lbs

ZL1 1LE M6 - 3,853 lbs (-372 lbs)
ZL1 1LE A10 - 3,883 lbs (-342 lbs)
ZL1 M6 - 3,907 lbs (-318 lbs)
ZL1 A10 - 3,938 lbs (-287 lbs)

newmoon · 08-20-2019, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Baldilocks01SS

3850ish.

Big difference in weight compared to the 500. Not good but we will have to see how it performs. Ford might have been better off to throw more n/a hp at the GT350R,.

whiteboyblues2001 · 08-20-2019, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

Big difference in weight compared to the 500. Not good but we will have to see how it performs. Ford might have been better off to throw more n/a hp at the GT350R,.

Keep in mind the GT500 still has a hp/weight ratio advantage, and if it has substantial downforce from the aero, it could be faster than one or more than one of the ZL1 variants.

Also, it would be hard to squeeze more HP out of the Voodoo. Gererally speaking in an N/A motor, you can only make significant gains by adding more RPM's or more torque. More torque comes from more displacement, and there isn't much room there, and how much higher can you rev that motor? 8250 is pretty darn high.

Plus, I think (IMHO) there really does need to be a GT500. It's a much different approach. All kinds of creature comforts, awesome stereo, etc., and huge power, was the formula. It's only because of the ZL1 that they are chasing lap times on a road coarse. Ford either should have released this car two years ago, or just skipped the road coarse thing and go all-in on the straight line like the RedEye. The could have reduced a bunch of weight without all the coolers and huge brakes making a better 1/4 mile car...

NW-99SS · 08-20-2019, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Keep in mind the GT500 still has a hp/weight ratio advantage, and if it has substantial downforce from the aero, it could be faster than one or more than one of the ZL1 variants.

Also, it would be hard to squeeze more HP out of the Voodoo. Gererally speaking in an N/A motor, you can only make significant gains by adding more RPM's or more torque. More torque comes from more displacement, and there isn't much room there, and how much higher can you rev that motor? 8250 is pretty darn high.

Plus, I think (IMHO) there really does need to be a GT500. It's a much different approach. All kinds of creature comforts, awesome stereo, etc., and huge power, was the formula. It's only because of the ZL1 that they are chasing lap times on a road coarse. Ford either should have released this car two years ago, or just skipped the road coarse thing and go all-in on the straight line like the RedEye. The could have reduced a bunch of weight without all the coolers and huge brakes making a better 1/4 mile car...

This - stick to what the GT500s were good at - straight line speed. The ZLEs have thrown Ford for an obvious loop that they clearly had difficulty matching or besting. As said before, for the purchase premium, the CF GT500 BETTER walk away from a ZLE A10 on the road course, if it only matches it, that's a loss given 4 additional years of testing and development and a much higher price tag.

shaffe · 08-20-2019, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NW-99SS

This - stick to what the GT500s were good at - straight line speed. The ZLEs have thrown Ford for an obvious loop that they clearly had difficulty matching or besting. As said before, for the purchase premium, the CF GT500 BETTER walk away from a ZLE A10 on the road course, if it only matches it, that's a loss given 4 additional years of testing and development and a much higher price tag.

This ^^^ For what they are asking for the CFTP it better put up some crazy numbers.

whiteboyblues2001 · 08-20-2019, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

This ^^^ For what they are asking for the CFTP it better put up some crazy numbers.

I forgot how much all the options are on the GT500, and I just looked them up. $18,500 for the CFTP, and another $1,500 for the handling package. That's an additional $20,000! WOW!!

The base price, including gas guzzler and destination is about $74,000. Then, if you can find an allocation for a CFTP and want the handling package (just the go fast stuff), we're talking $94,000! There are more options you can add (I didn't even add the Recaro seats), but this is just the performance stuff. Even if you found a good deal and got a CFTP allocation for just $10k over, that's $104,000!!!!

I'd rather have a 911 at that price point, or I would just wait for the C8 Z06.

08-19-2019, 11:57 AM	#3058
NW-99SS Drives: 1999 Camaro SS M6 - SBE LS1 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,166	I predicted the GT500 to be 4200lbs, now I am sad that I was very close to being correct. I still hope the CF Track Pack is lighter, but that hope is diminishing quickly. p.s. Are those factory hood pins on a 180mph limited GT500? If so, why? __________________ 1999 Camaro SS 6M - SBE LS1 1963 Corvette GrandSport - ZZ502 4M 2017 Denali 1500 6.2 2017 Yukon Denali 6.2

08-20-2019, 06:53 AM	#3059
newmoon Drives: 2019 GT350 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: NC Posts: 3,232	I was thinking we were going to be around 4100 but we are sitting at 42xx, the CF package should drop 75-80 lbs which puts it 41xx, what does the ZL1 1LE A10 weigh? __________________ 2019 GT350 RR 2013 Boss Mustang 2012 SRT Challenger 392 auto 12:40s 112 stock 2012 Ford Mustang 5.0. Brembo, 3:73s 2010 SS, LS3, Cammed, LTs, 12:20s 2004 Redfire Cobra, Pullied & Tuned 1986 GT, Ed Curtis 347ci, 11:20s motor. 10:30s 100-hp shot

08-17-2019, 05:43 PM	#3053
BlaqWhole Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 7,692	Between the ZL1, ZLE, Base GT500, and CF GT500, what is the weight distribution looking like?

08-17-2019, 08:25 PM	#3055
ChefBorOzzy Drives: 2016 F150 Join Date: May 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,196	525 pounds - Weight difference between base Mustang GT and GT500. 250 pounds - Weight difference between 1SS and ZL1 automatic. Shows how decontented base Mustang is.

08-18-2019, 06:48 AM	#3056
Gunkk Thank you Al Oppenheiser! Drives: Red Hot A10 ZL1 Convertible Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Sarasota, FL Posts: 4,973 View My Garage	Proper engineering has its price.

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