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Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

Track performance in this order:
Corvette Z06
Camaro Z28
Corvette Grand Sport
Camaro ZL1
Corvette Z51
Camaro 1LE
Camaro SS

This looks pretty good (depending on the track). One note the C7/GS went around the Milford track only .6 seconds behind a C6/ZR1. Remember the C6/ZR1 was very near the top of listed track times.

Originally Posted by Degausser

On a track I would wager..
Z06 > Z28 > ZL1 > GS > 1LE > Z51 > SS

Will be interesting to see how the v6 1LE stacks up against the SS around a track.

Very doubtful.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by Degausser

On a track I would wager..
Z06 > Z28 > ZL1 > GS > 1LE > Z51 > SS

Will be interesting to see how the v6 1LE stacks up against the SS around a track.

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Very doubtful.

Why is this "very doubtful"? His list looks pretty solid to me. Have you seen the rumors floating around that the gen 6 1LE ran within "tenths" of the gen 5 Z/28 with Motor Trend at Laguna Seca? We aren't even sure it wasn't faster than the Z/28. To me that sews up the Z51 vs 1LE debate and I can promise you that the GS won't outrun the ZL1 with a 200hp disadvantage, especially since the 1LE seems to be out running the Z51!

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Originally Posted by mjk3888

Why is this "very doubtful"? His list looks pretty solid to me. Have you seen the rumors floating around that the gen 6 1LE ran within "tenths" of the gen 5 Z/28 with Motor Trend at Laguna Seca? We aren't even sure it wasn't faster than the Z/28. To me that sews up the Z51 vs 1LE debate and I can promise you that the GS won't outrun the ZL1 with a 200hp disadvantage, especially since the 1LE seems to be out running the Z51!

Wow! I have no words so I'll just use yours (see in red highlighted above).

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

Why is this "very doubtful"? His list looks pretty solid to me. Have you seen the rumors floating around that the gen 6 1LE ran within "tenths" of the gen 5 Z/28 with Motor Trend at Laguna Seca? We aren't even sure it wasn't faster than the Z/28. To me that sews up the Z51 vs 1LE debate and I can promise you that the GS won't outrun the ZL1 with a 200hp disadvantage, especially since the 1LE seems to be out running the Z51!

What does the zl1 have over the 1le other than an extra 200 hp when its not heat soaked? Arent the tires the same? Serious question...

The extra 200hp when available will be partially negated by the extra 200lbs the zl1 will weigh over a 1le. On tighter courses the 1le might run right with a zl1.

The grand sport should be quite a bit quicker than a z51 which is pretty close to a 1le. Which btw they have not been tested same track same day same driver so its a guess. I don't see the zl1 being faster than the GS. Only the z28.

Looking back at last gen the zl1 and 1le had similar handling with just a difference in power which will help on some tracks. I see the zl1 being a bit quicker than a 1le and z51 but not enough to beat a GS. A z28 should do it though.

I don't think the zl1 will beat a 350r on most courses either. Its not a hardcore track focused car. Its an all around performer.

[BradfordCamaro]

Z/28 , zo6 , ZL1 , 1LE then the rest.

[mcsoul]

Originally Posted by Mister Will

A number of people seem to feel the C7 Grand Sport will beat the ZL1. With a 180 HP difference I wonder how they came to that conclusion?

I think the GS will beat the ZL1 around a track by maybe a half a second or more. It's using the z06 chassis, suspension and rubber setup. The cornering grip will make the difference over the ZL1. It won't be huge though, and the ZL1 will be a much better street car in my opinion, better on the 1/4 mile too. The 0-60 will be essentially the same, with the ZL1 just 1/10th or two faster with like transmissions.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

Why is this "very doubtful"? His list looks pretty solid to me. Have you seen the rumors floating around that the gen 6 1LE ran within "tenths" of the gen 5 Z/28 with Motor Trend at Laguna Seca? We aren't even sure it wasn't faster than the Z/28. To me that sews up the Z51 vs 1LE debate and I can promise you that the GS won't outrun the ZL1 with a 200hp disadvantage, especially since the 1LE seems to be out running the Z51!

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Wow! I have no words so I'll just use yours (see in red highlighted above).

That's an understandable response. All I can say is that if I had removed all the speculation from that post and stated them as facts you would be asking me to disclose sources and if they were actually true statements. I can't out my sources, but I'm pretty sure if you go look at the threads in the 1LE section you will see enough evidence to support my point. Spectators were at Laguna Seca and timed the 1LE running 1:39's during the warm up laps with the Engineer riding passenger. I know the official time it ran and I can tell you that you will be impressed if not shocked!

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

What does the zl1 have over the 1le other than an extra 200 hp when its not heat soaked? Arent the tires the same? Serious question...

The extra 200hp when available will be partially negated by the extra 200lbs the zl1 will weigh over a 1le. On tighter courses the 1le might run right with a zl1.

Fair question. Although I think you're prematurely assuming the ZL1 will have cooling issues with your first statement. I will assume the tires are the same compound but I don't know that for certain. I do know they are the same size. Knowing how the 1LE faired at Laguna Seca, I feel the alpha chassis is putting power down much more efficiently on corner exit due mostly to the MRC, PTM, and E-LSD. So I believe the ZL1 will be able to use much more of its power on the track. I think a lot of people are applying "Hellcat logic" to the new ZL1 assuming it will lose all its handling abilities and overpower the track. I think at the hands of Randy Pobst, or any other professional driver, it will prove itself extremely capable.

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

The grand sport should be quite a bit quicker than a z51 which is pretty close to a 1le. Which btw they have not been tested same track same day same driver so its a guess. I don't see the zl1 being faster than the GS. Only the z28.

Looking back at last gen the zl1 and 1le had similar handling with just a difference in power which will help on some tracks. I see the zl1 being a bit quicker than a 1le and z51 but not enough to beat a GS. A z28 should do it though.

Just for reference, at the Lightning Lap competition, held by C&D @ VIR's Grand West Circuit, the 2013 ZL1 ran a (2:57.5) the 2013 1LE ran a (3:01.5). Even though many people see the 5th gen 1LE as the better handling car, sometimes extra HP makes all the difference even if it does cost some lower speed corner precision.

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

I don't think the zl1 will beat a 350r on most courses either. Its not a hardcore track focused car. Its an all around performer.

Don't get me wrong I think the ZL1, GS, and GT350R will be very close! Within a half second of each other if run at laguna seca. I think the ZL1 will run a (1:35-1:35.5). I think that at that size track the ZL1 GS and GT350R will be right on top of each other, but that Margin will grow at a larger track like VIR.

[mjk3888]

To me this implys the 1LE is very close to the Z/28. FYI this is not the source of my info.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

Z/28 , zo6 , ZL1 , 1LE then the rest.

No way.

The top Corvette will always outperform the top Camaro.

Z06
Z/28
Grand Sport
ZL1
1LE

[Thor142]

Originally Posted by shaffe

No way.

The top Corvette will always outperform the top Camaro.

Z06
Z/28
Grand Sport
ZL1
1LE

You never know.... RP said the Z06 is a handful at it's limits and can't put the power down without getting squirrely. Beavis and Butthead at motortrend said it's downright scary without the nannies. If it gets the LT4 (which it probably will) they just have to put it in a platform that can use the power better. Lets face it the weight difference is negligible at 650hp if you can't use it.
But you're probably right.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Thor142

You never know.... RP said the Z06 is a handful at it's limits and can't put the power down without getting squirrely. Beavis and Butthead at motortrend said it's downright scary without the nannies. If it gets the LT4 (which it probably will) they just have to put it in a platform that can use the power better. Lets face it the weight difference is negligible at 650hp if you can't use it.
But you're probably right.

With the weight difference, ridiculous aero and tires that are probably similar size rear tires, I bet the Z/28 gets closer to the Z06 than many people would expect. Well, that depends on if it gets the LT4.

If the Z/28 doesn't gain a bunch of weight, it can be within 200 lbs of the Z06, which is pretty insane.

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

With the weight difference, ridiculous aero and tires that are probably similar size rear tires, I bet the Z/28 gets closer to the Z06 than many people would expect. Well, that depends on if it gets the LT4.

If the Z/28 doesn't gain a bunch of weight, it can be within 200 lbs of the Z06, which is pretty insane.

It might get close, but I highly doubt it will be faster than the Z06

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Mjk3888,

Randy ran the Stingray at LS to a: 31. Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Randy Pobst 1:38.28
Based on your comments (hmmm) let's say the 1LE ran a high 1:38 to 1:39, my guess is the Grand Sport Z07 will nock 2.5 - 3.0 seconds off the Stingray at LS. The ZL1 probably another 2 seconds shaved from the 1LE for a 1:37. As mentioned previously the ZR1 and Grand Sport Z07 are very very close in time around Milford. Here is the LS time for Randy in the ZR1, 8. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Randy Pobst 1:33.70

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For reference, Randy's time in the CTS-V at LS; 32. Cadillac CTS-V (Mk III) Randy Pobst 1:38.52
I believe it's a couple hundred pounds more than the expected weight of the ZL1.