[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by Chadicus

I always thought the 500 was built to be the ultimate muscle car. 662hp and 200mph top speed I think it achieved its purpose.

Probably why I find the 350 to be so disappointing. The Tech pack was an absolute let down

I'll agree imo the GT5 led the way for a few years in a row as far as hp and straight line performance. Kinda why I never understand how the HC gets all the hp credit GT5 had been doing it lol

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by FastCarFanBoy

the point of the conversation was that Blaq said he doubted the 11.3 could be duplicated which is why I posted the video of the 11.26 car...the 11.3x car was drag pak and tune also.

I clarified my statement. But I didn't edit it. Those runs are subject to a lot of variables. Take away one and it won't be anywhere near an 11.3. And again, same day and same track with same driver and I still think a stock ZL1 will win especially in unfavorable DA.

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

I'll agree imo the GT5 led the way for a few years in a row as far as hp and straight line performance. Kinda why I never understand how the HC gets all the hp credit GT5 had been doing it lol

Marketing. "707 HP". If one car had 699 hp and the Hellcat showed up with 701 then guess which one will get more press. LOL! And not because one has 2 more HP than the other. But because it is over 700 while the other is not. See? Dodge was smart and played their cards right. GM had already produced a 631 hp ZR1. Then Ford showed them up with a 663 hp GT500. Then for 2015 the Z06 would have 650. So what did Dodge do? They slapped everyone with 707 horsies and made GM and Ford look like they were just effing around.

[72MachOne99GT]

Sadlt, an effective auto in last gens GT500 would’ve put its quarter mile times right next to the HellCats as well. Power/Weight is in the Shelbys advantage, just not able to match the 8sp.

Not to mention that clutch protection keeping us from smoking our clutches in a single evening of abuse.

I’d still buy the manual regardless. Not everything is about 3 or 4 tenths at te drag strip.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

Sadlt, an effective auto in last gens GT500 would’ve put its quarter mile times right next to the HellCats as well. Power/Weight is in the Shelbys advantage, just not able to match the 8sp.

Not to mention that clutch protection keeping us from smoking our clutches in a single evening of abuse.

I’d still buy the manual regardless. Not everything is about 3 or 4 tenths at te drag strip.

Agreed 100%

It's about more than just 1/4 mile times or road course...it's about enjoying what you drive, enjoying the open road, and making new friends too.

[islander033]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

I put things in Bold so you can understand.

So you can't do the math? wow

Either way, the 13-14 GT500 was more than a "1 trick pony" compared to the fif gen ZL1. (pun intended)

Both are cool cars in my books.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by islander033

So you can't do the math? wow

Either way, the 13-14 GT500 was more than a "1 trick pony" compared to the fif gen ZL1. (pun intended)

Both are cool cars in my books.

Well the ZL1 was definitely more well rounded. It had more tech (IRS, MRC) as well as heated seats and other goodies...like an option for an auto trans, lol!! The GT500 wasn't a 1-trick pony at all. But it was nowhere near as well rounded and refined as the ZL1 was.

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I clarified my statement. But I didn't edit it. Those runs are subject to a lot of variables. Take away one and it won't be anywhere near an 11.3. And again, same day and same track with same driver and I still think a stock ZL1 will win especially in unfavorable DA.


Marketing. "707 HP". If one car had 699 hp and the Hellcat showed up with 701 then guess which one will get more press. LOL! And not because one has 2 more HP than the other. But because it is over 700 while the other is not. See? Dodge was smart and played their cards right. GM had already produced a 631 hp ZR1. Then Ford showed them up with a 663 hp GT500. Then for 2015 the Z06 would have 650. So what did Dodge do? They slapped everyone with 707 horsies and made GM and Ford look like they were just effing around.

Just my opinion but the HC needed the hp to make up for the weight. The fact that the mustang was receiving almost Corvette hp in the pony car war was impressive. I don't believe Dodge slapped anyone they just joined the party and had a big following because of it's throw back looks so the hype was inflated.

[96MrBass]

Not to mention if a ZL1 or GT5 show up now with 699 hp not sure that 707 would matter.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Just my opinion but the HC needed the hp to make up for the weight. The fact that the mustang was receiving almost Corvette hp in the pony car war was impressive. I don't believe Dodge slapped anyone they just joined the party and had a big following because of it's throw back looks so the hype was inflated.

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

Not to mention if a ZL1 or GT5 show up now with 699 hp not sure that 707 would matter.

Perhaps. But I was just answering the question about why/how the HC got all the credit over the other cars that clearly were pushing high hp numbers before the HC showed up. Again, the 707 number did a lot of that. It certainly grabbed my attention. And it was the first one to break the 700 hp barrier. Think about it. There are lots of people who don't know what a ZL1 or GT500 is. But I hardly ever run into someone who doesn't know what a Hellcat is and 707 hp has a lot to do with it.

[Poppacapp]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Should be

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qpq0urc1zV8

But not all will be.

Yeah I saw that. And I agree... it will be like the 6gens imo. There are primarily 5-6? 11sec stock ones... and a few exceptional modded ones so far. I think the Mustang will follow the same pattern.

Originally Posted by Snowblind

I think the 18 GT will also need a converter to see 10's, the mph is there for sure but the 60' and the 1/8 mile times seen so far need improvement.

Not saying it can't happen, just needs that stall to get in the rev range quicker imo.

I agree to an extent. Although the 18 GT is faster, it still does not have the down low grunt that the LT1 has.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I have my doubts. Kinda like when these shops claim a cai and their tune gained 50 hp on the dyno. It's all advertising to get people to buy a product. I doubt people with that combination on the 18 GT will actually do an 11.3 at 124. Highly doubt it. Maybe high in the mid 11s...like an 11.6 and up to high 11s. But not low 11s.

We'll see. Ford will have to break tradition so I'm not sure it'll happen.

I have no problem with people bringing up the 11.3. I just don't think it is fair to compare my 11.8 to it. Especially when my run was a no effort run 6 months ago for fun while Lund did a full effort run with the sole intention to get the fastest time out of their car. And like I said, I highly doubt those numbers will be duplicated. Anyway, to answer your question I think the DA was around 650 when I did my run.

I agree. I am sure you can get much better times with more track time/traction. We had a ZL1 convertible at our track rental today. Very nice car. He was seeing what he could do stock on stock tires though, and track wasnt as sticky as needed to be with those tires. He did manage mid 11sec times though at over 124.

Originally Posted by islander033

It just might get announced at Detroit auto show. January 13-28 2018.

My bet is A10 trans, 5.2 motor, 2.65 TVS and pushing more that 707 CHP. No to AWD.

I think it will be in the 750hp range IMO. Definitely agree on the 2.65 TVS. That is going to be a monster blower pullied down.

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

car mods:
Drag Pack, Tune/e85, x-pipe exhaust, stock air box, 315 gears, stock stall, 10 speed auto

The car is far from stock...and at least the guy was specifying that this was only a 301a car with no PP...

So, tune, drag pack, xpipe. I wouldn't classify that as highly modified. 315gears are stock.

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

They won one lap, after that, they lost...

In fact, it was so bad after the first lap, that it was no longer a contest.

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/chevr...-shelby-gt500/

I'll agree with you, if its just one lap, the GT 500 won it easily...but on a road course, it's generally not one lap....

Oh and....the ZL1 still beat the GT500 around the Ring..oh wait, Ford wasn't stupid enough to run the car around it....

The 13 GT500 did run around the Ring and beat the ZL1 time. There was a video posted on SVT forums a while back that had a split screen of the GT500/ZL1 run. Or was it the Z28? Hell I can't remember.

[Poppacapp]

Here is a story on it

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/10/...ing-in-739-28/

[Poppacapp]

Here is the split screen

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Perhaps. But I was just answering the question about why/how the HC got all the credit over the other cars that clearly were pushing high hp numbers before the HC showed up. Again, the 707 number did a lot of that. It certainly grabbed my attention. And it was the first one to break the 700 hp barrier. Think about it. There are lots of people who don't know what a ZL1 or GT500 is. But I hardly ever run into someone who doesn't know what a Hellcat is and 707 hp has a lot to do with it.

No doubt Dodge marketing is on point

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by Poppacapp

Here is a story on it

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/10/...ing-in-739-28/

Who cares about this run? It wasn't an official run....

https://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-times-top-100/

Top 100 times on the Ring....find the GT500 while you're there...

And if we're talking unofficial crap... the ZL1 1LE actually ran a 7:13 on the Ring....but it wasn't an officially timed run...