01-05-2021, 01:25 PM | #57 |
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01-05-2021, 01:29 PM | #58 |
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Car and Driver weighs each tested car w/ a full fuel tank, in order from lightest to heaviest:
ZLE M6: 3,842 lbs ZLE A10: 3,886 lbs ZL1 A10: 3,933 and 3,925 lbs (1st one was the test in 2017, the 2nd one was the lightning lap A10 ZL1) GT500 CFTP: 4,059 lbs Base GT500: 4,171 lbs (another test by C&D had one that was a little lighter, but I couldn't find that data on the C&D website) For grins: Challenger Hellcat Redeye A8: 4,529 lbs My thoughts are the differences between the ZLE M6 and the base GT500 are massive: 329 lbs. However, the difference between an A10 ZL1 and a CFTP GT500 is not that big, about 130 lbs. The weight of the GT500 is unfortunate, but all reviews have claimed it drives lighter than it is, for what that's worth, similar to how the ZL1 defies physics for a 3,900 lbs car. Last thought: The Hellcat Redeye is a very heavy car and has the worst weight distribution (57/43 front/rear) of the three, which is why it can't get traction. It's heavy even compared to the heavy base GT500 (358 lbs lighter) and is a whopping 600 lbs heavier than an A10 ZL1.
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But they have had issues, most notably with the YTers. For what it's worth, there's no telling if they are legit issues, or if the YTers sabotaged their own cars for likes and views, or what. But I personally would say it is probably a good idea to watch them and see what is happening with them. Because I know some disagree with me, but IMO, I think the GT500 was either a rush job by Ford or they had spent too much time/effort/money on rebuilding the GT and with the PP2 and all the warranty and recall issues with the GT350 or some combination of all that and they couldn't focus entirely on the GT500. They delayed it, then delayed it again, and then it got to the point that they just had to go ahead and push it out. Which is evident in the finish/quality issues with it. |
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Also, every review I've read by the magazines have talked about how uncomfortable the seats are. Blaq -- you own one -- is it true?
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Those tires deserve an award for what they allow the GT500 to do.
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Absolutely! I am just very impressed with the grip capabilities of today's tires and never before have those capabilities been better demonstrated(IMO of course).
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I think they both are very comfortable for what the car is expected to do. The ZL1 is a cornering beast so the seats are really tight and hold you in. There isn't much room for moving around and you can feel it wrapping around you. So that being the case and keeping in mind the car's purpose it is ok. Because at any moment you can use the handling and the seat will remind you of what the car is capable of doing. The HC seat is more roomy but you're just going in a straight line anyway. It feels more plush and forgiving. I find both cars to be very comfortable. Quote:
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I liked the Recaros in the ZL1.
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Yes they might not have had issues as bad but at that price point there shouldn't be any issues like both had. Misaligned panels, gaps that kind of stuff shouldn't happen anywhere near this price point. |
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I might be a bit harsh on Ford, but I'll admit that GM does have the same issues. It just seems like it is more so with Ford and especially in the more expensive trims. With the Camaro and Corvette, it seems like GM puts more effort into the fit and finish. With the Mustang, the GT500 gets the same treatment as a Base EB. Or so it seems. I would not let it deter me if I were in the market and found one at MSRP. But I think Ford realizes either way that the car is going to sell so it isn't really a concern. The buyer will either fix it themself or bring it in to be corrected so it doesn't matter. |
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