[Camaro fanboy]

Originally Posted by Rayvan

At Sonoma Raceway on Sunday there was a beautiful Mach One, just like the one in the above video. I went and talked with him after the second session, I'd asked how much he like it, and he said he was "truly disappointed" with the car. He was working with tire pressures, etc. He said he couldn't tell what the front end was doing, and the steering offered no feedback. We had three sessions to go when he left for the day. He mumbled something getting rid of it. He was very disgusted. I wish I'd asked him what his previous car was.

keep trying to tell you all he s550 is a joke.
i've driven over 3 million miles and have a good idea if a car is any good.
THE ENTIRE S550 is junk. every single aspect of it..you're sitting on the car rather than in it. then you'll find yourself bouncing all the place on anything but smooth roads.
i wouldn't have one of these things as a gift.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Camaro fanboy

keep trying to tell you all he s550 is a joke.
i've driven over 3 million miles and have a good idea if a car is any good.
THE ENTIRE S550 is junk. every single aspect of it..you're sitting on the car rather than in it. then you'll find yourself bouncing all the place on anything but smooth roads.
i wouldn't have one of these things as a gift.

I mean, what exactly happened to you in your Mustang that scarred you this bad. I mean, I ragged on Mustangs in the past but I always gave them credit where it was due. You sound like something tragic happened.

[metros11]

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...lightning-lap/

Take it for what it is, but that is a very impressive number.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by metros11

https://www.caranddriver.com/feature...lightning-lap/

Take it for what it is, but that is a very impressive number.

It is surprising that it is faster than a GT350R, but that tells me, really, is that the conditions were better the day they drove the Mach 1 compared to the GT350R 5+ years ago. If the R and Mach 1 were driven back to back by the same driver, I think the R would be a little faster. Plus, the Mach 1 has benefitted from an additional 6+ years of tire compound technology advancements.

That "conditions" topic also reminds me of the ZL1 LL time - 2:50...however, that time comes with an asterisks. The driver hit some curbing when they were setting the time in the cool morning air, bent the wheel, and by the time they replaced it later that day it was hot/warmer, and that's when they set the 2:50. The author of the ZL1 write-up said they think it had a 2:48 or possibly 2:47 in it. Just shows how much conditions affect the outcome.

Given the CT5 V Blackwing went 2:49 this year, the ZL1 should be a little quicker given it's 200+ lbs lighter, has a lower center of gravity, and on SC3 in lieu of PS4S, all which make that 2:47-2:48 sound about right.

How about that AMG GT Black series? 2:37! Awesome, awesome car. I love the cartoon like proportions of that long deck + super long dash to axle ratio, and sloping rear end. I wonder just how far the engine sits behind the front axles. The only modern front engined cars that can compete with the massive dash to axle ratio is the Viper and probably Ferrari 812 Superfast and those have more cylinders. The C7 Corvette Z06 dash to axle is a little less extreme. That said, I'm very curious how the C8 Z06 will do next year...

[kropscamaro16]

still havent seen one at the track yet...im waiting lol had a 2018 pp2 mustang gt manual in my run group last race and he was about a second off my times but he was on old 3rs so i feel pretty damn good lol

[ST1LE]

Over $60K, damn.

[kropscamaro16]

haha 60k for a non supercharged ford gt mustang with some aero/wheels and big brakes thats wild...

[ALMN]

It has to be the conditions and tire compound. A 3900+ lbs parts bin car faster than its 3650 lbs GT350R donor with higher hp and rev range! It doesn’t make sense at all.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by ALMN

It has to be the conditions and tire compound. A 3900+ lbs parts bin car faster than its 3650 lbs GT350R donor with higher hp and rev range! It doesn’t make sense at all.

Exactly right! The only shocking number for the Mach 1 is the price.

[mikem2104]

so this interested me, and blew my mind. i'm in Canada, so these prices are CAD but i'm in utter shock.

a fully loaded mach1 is $79,450 before tax
a fully loaded zl1 1le is $82,838 before tax
a fully loaded zl1 is $74,343 before tax

i'd like to meet the person that picks a mach1. its a really nice car, but common thats just crazy. $90k after tax for an NA mustang? no thank you.

makes me love my ss 1le that much more, i feel like i stole it back in 2018

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by mikem2104

so this interested me, and blew my mind. i'm in Canada, so these prices are CAD but i'm in utter shock.

a fully loaded mach1 is $79,450 before tax
a fully loaded zl1 1le is $82,838 before tax
a fully loaded zl1 is $74,343 before tax

i'd like to meet the person that picks a mach1. its a really nice car, but common thats just crazy. $90k after tax for an NA mustang? no thank you.

makes me love my ss 1le that much more, i feel like i stole it back in 2018

While I couldn't quite get to the exact numbers you did (didn't click every single available options, just the ones i thought were worth while) They can be shockingly close especially when comparing loaded Mach 1 Premiums to base ZL1's.



(US) Mach 1 Base – zero options - $54,595
(US) Mach 1 Base – loaded - $58,380 ($495 paint, $1595 Auto, $450 wheels, $1650 Recaros, $595 Upgraded Nav) - $61,880 ($3500 Handling Package, did not appear on Build and Price tool)


(US) Mach 1 premium – premium pkg only - $56,495
(US) Mach 1 premium – loaded - $61,830 ($495 paint, $1595 Auto, $450 wheels, $1650 Recaros, $1550 B&O sound, $595 Upgraded Nav) - $65,330 ($3500 Handling Package, did not appear on Build and Price tool)

(US) ZL1 Base – zero options - $65,845
(US) ZL1 Base- loaded - $72,660 ($495 paint, $1545 Auto, $500 Brake system upgrade, $230 Black Lugs, $600 visible CF insert, $495 upgraded Nav, $195 Red Belts, $1300 PDR, $655 CF interior, $350 Red Knee pads)

(US) ZL1 1LE – 1LE pkg only - $73,345
(US) ZL1 1LE – loaded - $79,560 ($495 paint, $1545 Auto, $7500 1LE pkg, $500 Brake system upgrade, $230 Black Lugs, $600 visible CF insert, $495 upgraded Nav, $195 Red Belts, $1300 PDR, $655 CF interior, $350 Red Knee pads)


(CAN) Mach 1 Base – zero options - $68,150
(CAN) Mach 1 Base – loaded - $73,545 ($550 paint, $1750 Auto, $495 wheels, $1800 Recaros, $800 Upgraded Nav) - $77,545 ($4000 Handling Package, did not appear on Build and Price tool)


(CAN) Mach 1 Premium – premium pkg only - $70,150
(CAN) Mach 1 Premium – loaded - $77,195 ($550 paint, $1750 Auto, $495 wheels, $1800 Recaros, $800 Upgraded Nav) - $81,195 ($4000 Handling Package, did not appear on Build and Price tool)

(CAN) ZL1 base – zero options - $73,848
(CAN) ZL1 base – loaded - $80,948 ($595 paint, $1785 Auto, $280 Black Lugs, $690 Visible CF insert, $795 Upgraded Nav, $225 Red Belts, $1495 PDR, $780 CF interior, $405 Red Knee Pads)


(CAN) ZL1 1LE – 1LE pkg only - $82,343
(CAN) ZL1 1LE – loaded - $88,753 ($595 paint, $1785 Auto, $8495 1LE pkg, $280 Black Lugs, $690 Visible CF insert, $795 Upgraded Nav, $225 Red Belts, $1495 PDR, $780 CF interior, $405 Red Knee Pads)

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

I just built a Mach 1 to ~$65k: Mach 1 Premium, A10, handling package, Recaros, elite package, base paint, and Nav. That doesn't even include the appearance package which brings it up to $66k!

My '21 ZL1 had an MSRP of $68,935: A10, CF hood insert, Nav., and CF shift knob. The same build is now a hair over $69k for 2022 IIRC.

There's also no such thing as a "stripped" ZL1. They all come pretty highly featured with creature comforts, including electric and heated/cooled Recaros and a heads up display, neither of which are even available in the Mach 1 or GT500.

BTW the ZL1 "brake pad upgrade" is not an upgrade perse, it's a reduced copper content pad so the car can be ordered and sold to CA and WA. So that's only necessary if someone resides in one of those states.

[crysalis_01]

By "stripped" I just meant that I selected zero options on the build list. For clarification sake I'll go make the appropriate edits

[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

(CAN) ZL1 1LE – stripped - $82,343
(CAN) ZL1 1LE – loaded - $88,753 ($595 paint, $1785 Auto, $8495 1LE pkg, $280 Black Lugs, $690 Visible CF insert, $795 Upgraded Nav, $225 Red Belts, $1495 PDR, $780 CF interior, $405 Red Knee Pads)

This doesn't make sense. Since when is it possible to have a 1LE without the 1LE package?

Is that like a convertible with the coupe's hard top ?



Yeah yeah I get it, but you shouldn't have included the "1LE" designation in the "stripped" examples. It's just a ZL1 "base" to use your term.