[Risky Justice]

Expensive fluid changes and outrageous pricing on aftermarket builds, if you need to hold more power than factory. Sure, you can change the fluid yourself if you want to deal with the headache of the procedure. You have to get the fluid to a specific temp range, etc. That’s a hard pass for me. I looked into them briefly when I was shopping for a VW TDI...ended up opting for the 6 speed manual.

[Eldi Z]

Originally Posted by DorkMissile

VW uses a wet clutch system - First came on the R32 Golf and there are many that run this setup well over 500hp. The 7 speed version on the Golf R is the same one used by Porsche and Lamborghini.

Unfortunately the DQ200 box in mine is a 7-speed Dry Clutch and not a wet clutch.
The sportier version of my car (Leon Cupra) has the exact same engine (2.0L) and DSG (Wet 6-Speed, DQ250) as I.E. the Audi S3, VW GolfR up to MY 2017or18 and this DQ250 box is also on the VW Golf GTI in these years. Engine in the Golf GTI is also an E888 Gen.3 2.0L, but has a slightly smaller IHI Turbo; IS-20.
The Cupra, GolfR and Audi S3 have the larger IS-38 Turbo.

[DorkMissile]

Originally Posted by zx9rmal

Agree. Loved the DSG in my modded GTI. The harder you accelerated, the quicker the shifts. Always drove it in manual mode. Instantaneous shifting. Literally a clutchless manual.

I dont think those who haven't driven know what they are missing out on - 8 millisecond upshifts and downshifts at any RPM

[USAFS197]

I would love to have that shifter conversion for my 1LE. I daily this sucker but, I enjoy some very spirited driving episodes. At $2400, I don't think it's too expensive or unreasonable. However, I don't think that they are available for our cars or currently work with our setup. I saw a forum post or YouTube comment elsewhere about how the shifter linkage on our cars are different and therefore, it doesn't work in its current form.

[GuywithL86]

Originally Posted by Atlas24601

I wish the SS and ZL1 1LE packages had an option for one of these sequential gearboxes! Very fast shifting, still keeps the driver involved/in control, and it would be nearly impossible to miss a shift which could over-rev and grenade your engine/transmission on certain missed downshifts with an H pattern manual (like accidentaly going from 5th to 1st instead of 3rd at high speed).

https://youtu.be/WSYrktq5zvc

there are only a few ways to get a real sequential trans


-spend $20+K modifying your car and probably destroying the interior

-buy a clk gtr
-buy an ascari a10
-buy an atom 500
-build a locust 7 with a bike motor/trans
-and I guess a couple smaller low production cars like lotus and ultima


I have been wanting a real sequential for along time

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by DorkMissile

I dont think those who haven't driven know what they are missing out on - 8 millisecond upshifts and downshifts at any RPM

Or some of us don't mind shifting... and might actually enjoy it.

And yes, I've driven plenty of dual clutch trans cars. But I don't own a single one.. for a reason.

[50MileSmile]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

And yes, I've driven plenty of dual clutch trans cars. But I don't own a single one.. for a reason.

Me too, but I made the mistake of buying a BMW M2 with the DCT before my 1LE. It was the most disappointing and boring car I ever owned - as exciting to drive as my 87-year-old mother’s Altima - so I sold it after 9 months.

[Eldi Z]

Originally Posted by 50MileSmile

It was the most disappointing and boring car I ever owned - as exciting to drive as my 87-year-old mother’s Altima - so I sold it after 9 months.

Very interesting statement indeed.
I was always under the impression that the M2 is a fun and agile car to drive.
Glad to understand that the 1LE is so much better / fun

[Chris V]

Originally Posted by 50MileSmile

Me too, but I made the mistake of buying a BMW M2 with the DCT before my 1LE. It was the most disappointing and boring car I ever owned - as exciting to drive as my 87-year-old mother’s Altima - so I sold it after 9 months.

[/hyperbole]

I have a supercharged 1LE and a tuned F80 M3 DCT.

You must have had some really exciting cars prior to the M2 to say that it was the most disappointing and boring car you've ever had. It is not comparable to an Altima.

[Billy10mm]

My wife has an SMG M3. Hate it. I spent a lot of time and energy learning to properly operate 3 pedals. Heel and toeing and properly rev matching in all circumstances is a skill, so is launching with the proper amount of torque/throttle and clutch engagement.

There is something special about a car that is only offered in a true 3-pedal manual. The S2000, Viper, 1LE, and a few others belong to this elite club and if the 1LE left that club, she'd lose a large part of the charm that makes me love her.

I don't care how fast a computer-controlled transmission shifts, its boring.

[DorkMissile]

FYI - the VW group (VW / Porsche / Audi / Lamborghini / Bughatti) DCT technology is on the next planet vs the other builders. They started developing the technology in the early 80s (S1 Audi) and they won't share / sell the technology.

[Atlas24601]

Originally Posted by Eldi Z

Very interesting statement indeed.
I was always under the impression that the M2 is a fun and agile car to drive.
Glad to understand that the 1LE is so much better / fun

There is a reason that Motortrend used the V6 1LE against the M2 in their Head2Head comparison instead of the SS 1LE. The contest would be over before it began against the SS 1LE.

[Eldi Z]

Originally Posted by Atlas24601

There is a reason that Motortrend used the V6 1LE against the M2 in their Head2Head comparison instead of the SS 1LE. The contest would be over before it began against the SS 1LE.

VERY
Still, if I remember correctly, the M2 won against the V6-1LE

[Atlas24601]

Originally Posted by Eldi Z

VERY
Still, if I remember correctly, the M2 won against the V6-1LE

They are evenly matched in terms of performance. No surprise the WAY more expensive car won overall though.