Camaro Still winning - Mustang sales not enough to sustain Flat Rock plant

[68RS]

This is a somewhat cyclical industry. We know that Ford will come out with their redesign in 2014, and when they do, Camaro will be on it's fourth model year with the same design. It is very likely that Ford will once again take a strong lead. I love my Camaro, it is an awesome car. But so is the Mustang. The competition makes them both (and the Challenger) better cars.

They need to get their factory production capabilities worked out, maybe with another Ford model. It wouldn't make sense for Ford to shut down Mustang production. 73K cars is still significant. If they can keep their cost down and make it to 2014, they will be back in the game stronger than ever.

[Fraxum]

I think we should all buy one of each. If my financial advisor would let me that is exactly what I would do. I want to add a Boss to my stable. While I am at it, I also like a car with a GPS and a sunroof. I would pick up a Challenger SRT8 too. Let's keep everybody working!

[Black5thgen]

Originally Posted by Lazerbrainz2k3

On the Mustang forums, probably, and how many Camaro defenders are there? Probably as few as there are Mustang defenders on Camaro5.

I disagree with you. I would bet there are much more mustang humpers here than Camaro humpers on all the mustang sites combined.

Originally Posted by Lazerbrainz2k3

And the Mustang IS the better car in terms of straight-line performance and handling (styling and looks are subjective things, as is brand loyalty). The Camaro is still riding a wave of popularity from its concept debut and Transformers, which just goes to show that hp specs and quarter mile times aren't everything in deciding what car is "best" - not that most of us here would have admitted that a year or two ago when the Camaro was (nearly) undisputed king in ALL categories, before Dodge and Ford re-engined their competitors.

You can't tell me that the hype hasn't died down in over 2 years. That argument holds no water any more. The mass public cars more about looks, quality and image than straight-line performance and handling. That is why the Camaro is out selling the mustang now and the mustang outsold the Camaro in the LS1 days. The mustang is a better performing car, not a better overall car.

[PoorMansCamaro]

I don't know, looks like the mustang did just fine while the camaro was on a 7-8 year hiatus.

[AZCamaroFan]

yeah i hate to see any jobs jeopardized, but...after the Camaro being gone several years and the mustang declard the ponycar victor...i don't have any sympathy for mustang fans or ford.

[2SS BUMBLBE]

The Ford dealership in town has already sold its allotment of 2012 Bosses and Shelbys. I test drove a 5.0 today. It was a dealer trade because our dealer cannot keep enough. BTW, it sounds like I wish my SS sounded stock. It was pretty quick, handled well, no issues shifting like I have heard about the Camaro, and was an interesting color (lava red). All in all, I thought it was a pretty nice vehicle; I hope they do not die.

[kennynobodyrs]

Originally Posted by AngeloVEnforcer

This Camaro is obviously taken the nation by a storm. Coupled with the Transformers marketing, it is the premier sports car in America at the moment. In actuality, I think the Camaro's 8 year layoff actually helped because its return brought such an uproar of enthusiasts anticipating its return that it launched with a bang. The Mustang has always been around, yes it has been updated, but the Camaro of 2010 revolutionized the sports car.

Everybody sees Mustangs out there, but I still have people staring at my car, and even taking pictures of it. Nobody does that with a Mustang. Why? Because they see the Camaro as "that car in that cool Transformers movie." And that's a good thing. It's got such an aura that whenever I tell people I have a Camaro, they automatically have a connection with it. The Mustang is ingrained into our culture so it will always be there, but the Camaro has taken a leap in its status as not just Chevy's pony car, but America's pony car.

very well put

[Wvallediego]

All this talk about feeling sorry and not wanting to see people loss their jobs really does not matter,,,,,,don't worry. Those people who stop working for ford because is downsizing will start working for Chev because they'll start reving up production.

Hope that does not happen, because WE NEED THE MUSTANG!!!!!!.....WE NEED SOMETHING TO BEAT!!!! THE MUSTANG plays that role!

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by HumanWiki

As much as I'd love to say "Suck it Mustang" -- I honestly can't.. Putting the smack down on a rival car is one thing, but I'm not going to cheer on the possibility of American workers being put in to unemployment just to brag on my own platform's success...

I'd rather they stay open and share the spot light with Mustang, than have even a single worker laid off..

+1

[AngeloVEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Black5thgen

I disagree with you. I would bet there are much more mustang humpers here than Camaro humpers on all the mustang sites combined.


You can't tell me that the hype hasn't died down in over 2 years. That argument holds no water any more. The mass public cars more about looks, quality and image than straight-line performance and handling. That is why the Camaro is out selling the mustang now and the mustang outsold the Camaro in the LS1 days. The mustang is a better performing car, not a better overall car.

The Camaro hype may die down, but, like myself, I had to wait until January 2011 to get my car. I could've gotten something else, but I didn't. When you've got a hot car, you've got 5 years at least to make some serious money off it. Then you go to a re-design, will most likely make those buyers trade in their 3-4 year old Camaros for the new body style. That's what happens in the car business (being a former car salesmen), you get a buyer to love the car they're driving, and they tend to stick with it. I've sold numerous trucks/cars/suvs to the same buyers. They literally bought the same car (maybe different color/options) several times.

[CamaroBelarus]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

guess the professional drivers who have tested this many times are wrong and you right. who would have known

Yeah, such as http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...mparison_tests maybe? Or http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...camaro-ss.html ? Maybe tons of them on youtube proving cars are identical? Even roadandtrack got 1/4 in ss.

Cmon loser, just admit u dont dont have a babe and driving mustang, so il just ingore u, like other trolls out there.

[doc7000]

I think more important then which car is faster is the fact that most of the times the cars are not driven in a way where it makes a difference.

I think we put too much into car rag test when it comes to sells, I bet most people can't tell you the difference between the Mustang and Camaro in any performance area.

In this market what is selling these cars is not bragging rights, instead its style and the Camaro just has more of it. Though you can't go wrong with either car.

[CamaroBelarus]

Originally Posted by doc7000

I think more important then which car is faster is the fact that most of the times the cars are not driven in a way where it makes a difference.

I think we put too much into car rag test when it comes to sells, I bet most people can't tell you the difference between the Mustang and Camaro in any performance area.

In this market what is selling these cars is not bragging rights, instead its style and the Camaro just has more of it. Though you can't go wrong with either car.

Exactly what im saying. But there is always 1-2 "....", who will say "BUY IT! MUSTANG IS FASTER" and u just have to put his face in the facts that they are identical. Trolls are a disease.

[Agent orange]

Originally Posted by bpmurr

The Mustang is not going anywhere guys. If anything you'll see a new Lincoln Mark after the 2014 redesign to fill the high end market and some of that plants volume.

As for the axle talk just drop it already. It's been proven time after time stock for stock the Mustang handles better than the mediocre setup in the Camaro. I hope the Camaro and Challenger stick around to keep Ford honest and I would hope you all feel the same so GM keeps pushing the Camaro further.

If it wasn't for the success of the 05+ Mustang you all wouldn't even be driving a Camaro.

i agree. if you look at it mustang improved their engine. its more quiker and handles better. is just that the mustang looks small for being a muscle car.