[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by autocross

Since it isn’t dead, I might as well guide the topic a little bit since I’ve got another question

Are you all familiar with the Ford Performance Handling Track Pack? It’s apparently a handling kit they sell which is optimized for track people instead of ‘grand tourers’. The review i saw said they were putting down 1.11 G’s in a corner (a picture of the cars display was included to back this up).

Is this better than the camaro ss in terms of handling? Those are some pretty insane numbers.

They have the PP1 and PP2 packs. The PP1 isn't quite SS 1LE level - no mag ride standard, although you can option it in. PP2 is supposed to be pretty on par with 1LE, but I think they're still lacking some heat exchangers the the 1LE comes with stock.

I don't think anybody has tested a PP1 or PP2 against a 1LE yet.

[Zack46]

Originally Posted by pjz1082

This thread is still going on? OMG people...please let it die!

[autocross]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

More of an SS 1LE level package. No ideas concerning any subjective handling comparison, but you'd have to be pushing them both pretty hard to find much difference.



Maybe not as hard to come by as you think.


Norm

1LE? Isn’t that pretty impressive?

You could get a base GT, and throw this kit on for 1,500. Then you’ve got numbers competing with a SS 1LE!

When you say you’ve got to be pushing them pretty hard to notice a difference, I guess what you would notice driving around is the sloppy steering compared to the camaro’s?

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by autocross

1LE? Isn’t that pretty impressive?

Unless there's some way of making that display show average g's through a turn, not particularly. As a peak number . . . I've datalogged a full quarter of a g higher than that in the car in my sig (on a road course, and it was still on OE springs at the time).

When you say you’ve got to be pushing them pretty hard to notice a difference, I guess what you would notice driving around is the sloppy steering compared to the camaro’s?

You have to get up above the point where tire response is essentially linear, and probably a good way into the transitional region. In numbers, I'd guess somewhere in the 0.6 - 0.75g range, which is enough to run away and hide from most other traffic you're likely to encounter on the street.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Oh hell, might as well put it up here . . .




Norm

[autocross]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Unless there's some way of making that display show average g's through a turn, not particularly. As a peak number . . . I've datalogged a full quarter of a g higher than that in the car in my sig (on a road course, and it was still on OE springs at the time).



You have to get up above the point where tire response is essentially linear, and probably a good way into the transitional region. In numbers, I'd guess somewhere in the 0.6 - 0.75g range, which is enough to run away and hide from most other traffic you're likely to encounter on the street.


Norm

Would this be more tire related? I haven’t found any average G’s from the ford track handling pack, but it must be well above what the stock one is putting down.

Originally Posted by Laststandard

They have the PP1 and PP2 packs. The PP1 isn't quite SS 1LE level - no mag ride standard, although you can option it in. PP2 is supposed to be pretty on par with 1LE, but I think they're still lacking some heat exchangers the the 1LE comes with stock.

I don't think anybody has tested a PP1 or PP2 against a 1LE yet.

This isn’t the performance pack that comes as an option, this is an aftermarket kit that ford released for enthusiasts. It’s 1,500, and makes the car handle properly. It seems like a cheap way to get performance equal to or better than the camaro ss.

[SecondZ28]

Originally Posted by autocross

1LE? Isn’t that pretty impressive?

You could get a base GT, and throw this kit on for 1,500. Then you’ve got numbers competing with a SS 1LE!

When you say you’ve got to be pushing them pretty hard to notice a difference, I guess what you would notice driving around is the sloppy steering compared to the camaro’s?

PP1 is $5,000
PP2 is $6,500

PP1: Brembo six-piston front brake calipers with larger rotors, a larger radiator and a Torsen rear differential with 3.73 axle ratio.

PP2: (includes PP1) 1.5” wider tires, MagneRide dampers, quicker steering calibration, 67% stiffer rear stabilizer, 12 % stiffer front stabilizer, 20% stiffer front springs, and 13 % stiffer rear springs

[autocross]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

PP1 is $5,000
PP2 is $6,500

PP1: Brembo six-piston front brake calipers with larger rotors, a larger radiator and a Torsen rear differential with 3.73 axle ratio.

PP2: (includes PP1) 1.5” wider tires, MagneRide dampers, quicker steering calibration, 67% stiffer rear stabilizer, 12 % stiffer front stabilizer, 20% stiffer front springs, and 13 % stiffer rear springs

This isn’t a PP and doesn’t involve magnaride. There’s a division in ford called ‘Ford Performance’ which sells ‘mods’ to mustang owners. The incentive is those ‘mods’ are covered under warranty. One of the things they offer is a package with some really stiff, old school, shocks and struts. No magneride or anything else. You could get a base GT, and install this kit instead of a power package. You’d miss out on the other goodies that come with the power package, but you’d get pretty good handling

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by autocross

Would this be more tire related? I haven’t found any average G’s from the ford track handling pack, but it must be well above what the stock one is putting down.

You'd need data from the same test setup, at least on the same skidpad or track, and ideally on the same day. Did that 1.11g number come with any mention of wheel and tire size and tire mfr/model?

Tires define the upper limit; everything else determines how close to that limit you'll be able to get the car up to and how well-behaved it'll be along the way.

Handling isn't just about the car . . .


Norm

[autocross]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

You'd need data from the same test setup, at least on the same skidpad or track, and ideally on the same day. Did that 1.11g number come with any mention of wheel and tire size and tire mfr/model?

Tires define the upper limit; everything else determines how close to that limit you'll be able to get the car up to and how well-behaved it'll be along the way.

Handling isn't just about the car . . .


Norm

I believe they said it was running the stock performance pack wheels and tires. It was pretty much a new car.

[rotohead]

Originally Posted by Nsxmatt

You’re just making things up now. With posts like this and the V6 Facebook group, I can see now why the V6 Camaro is the butt of people’s jokes.

When you try to share any performance news on this site you have some butt-brain putting you down, We got the new grind on the cams and we are now running into fuel starvation, due to the DI but we're getting there, We got the A/F worked out and had BBK rework a new TB as for the rest it's being worked on,

[Nsxmatt]

Originally Posted by rotohead

When you try to share any performance news on this site you have some butt-brain putting you down, We got the new grind on the cams and we are now running into fuel starvation, due to the DI but we're getting there, We got the A/F worked out and had BBK rework a new TB as for the rest it's being worked on,

Lol you’re not going to run out of fuel with some regrinds and a throttle body. Head over to the V6 Facebook page. There are a lot of gullible kids on there that will believe that bs you’re spouting. You are NOT using regrind cams on a vvt motor with cam phasing. Not happening. Even if you did and figured out how to make the car idle, you wouldn’t be making and more power you’d just be moving the powerband WHICH IS WHAT THE CAR DOES ON ITS OWN.

Don’t come here trying to lie to people who legitimately want new and USEFUL parts for the V6.