[Badmojo]

I was honored to drive David's Camaro ZL1 1LE at my home track. David was diagnosed with ALS three years ago and is no longer able to drive it.

[dbs1]

Nice!

[Blast2hell]

Originally Posted by Badmojo

I was honored to drive David's Camaro ZL1 1LE at my home track. David was diagnosed with ALS three years ago and is no longer able to drive it.

Very cool, subscribed to your channel. Love the Hitchhiker car numbers.

[Badmojo]

Thanks! Most people don't get the numbers. Ha!

Originally Posted by Blast2hell

Very cool, subscribed to your channel. Love the Hitchhiker car numbers.

[TheRealJA105]

A second slower than your regular ZL1?

[TWG1]

IIRC, yours is a converted ZL1. Did you keep magride when you did conversion, and if so, what’s your thoughts on a converted ZL1 (tires,aero,magride) vs authentic ZLE now that you’ve ran both? I ran Road ATL this weekend on ZLE rims/3R’s with my ZL1, and was amazed how much they transformed the car. Kind of softens my buyers remorse at buying a non-ZLE.

[Badmojo]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

A second slower than your regular ZL1?

The cars are extremely equivalent. This supports my and other’s hypothesis that the main performance improvements of the 1LE package are the aero and wheels/tires. It is more cost effective to buy a 1LE in the first place vs. what I've done.

I wasn't pushing his car as hard as I push mine. Loosely data driven, mostly seat-of-the-pants opinions (I did compare the laps in Cosworth):

1. Braking was completely different, his car had DTC70/DTC60 Hawk pads with a totally different friction level. This took getting used to. I could eventually brake about 1/2 a marker deeper with the Hawk pads, but was potentially over slowing in some corners.
2. This was at a sold-out "Track Night in America" and I got 2-3 traffic free laps, v.s. a private track rental with zero traffic and two hours of track time.
3. I noticed no difference in the 325 rear 3R's vs. the 305 3R's in my car.
4. I could put more power out at corner exit on my car (don't know why, but I could, potentially alignment related)
5. The 1LE is more predictable and controllable at the limit or when sliding.
6. Straight-line acceleration was equivalent after adjusting for slower corner exit.
7. The difference in lap times would really come down to driver and track conditions.

If there is enough interest, then I’ll do a video of the data with more details in a couple weeks.

[Badmojo]

Originally Posted by TWG1

IIRC, yours is a converted ZL1. Did you keep magride when you did conversion, and if so, what’s your thoughts on a converted ZL1 (tires,aero,magride) vs authentic ZLE now that you’ve ran both? I ran Road ATL this weekend on ZLE rims/3R’s with my ZL1, and was amazed how much they transformed the car. Kind of softens my buyers remorse at buying a non-ZLE.

Regular ZL1, A10, Sunroof
ZL1 1LE front aero
Anderson Composites replica 1LE spoiler
Apex ARC 8 wheels 19x11 (front/rear) with shaved shock for camber adj
Front Camber -2.4
Rear Camber -1.7
Close-out Goodyear 3R's 305-30-19 (tires were about 3/32nd's)

Rotofab Intake (same on both cars)
172 deg thermostat
BMR front sway-bar end links


Reference Video:

[TheRealJA105]

Never got a chance to meet you at TT Nats.

And I've been beating the drum that the 3Rs are the majority of the performance difference from the beginning. Same with the G3s vs runflats when comparing SLE vs SS and sooooo many people hate me for speaking the truth. Non track people don't understand that tires are the most important non-driver mod. Hell an R-comp can make up for alot of driver mod too...

Agreed that i probably wouldn't push a friends car as hard as my own

Originally Posted by Badmojo

The cars are extremely equivalent. This supports my and other’s hypothesis that the main performance improvements of the 1LE package are the aero and wheels/tires. It is more cost effective to buy a 1LE in the first place vs. what I've done.

I wasn't pushing his car as hard as I push mine. Loosely data driven, mostly seat-of-the-pants opinions (I did compare the laps in Cosworth):

1. Braking was completely different, his car had DTC70/DTC60 Hawk pads with a totally different friction level. This took getting used to. I could eventually brake about 1/2 a marker deeper with the Hawk pads, but was potentially over slowing in some corners.
2. This was at a sold-out "Track Night in America" and I got 2-3 traffic free laps, v.s. a private track rental with zero traffic and two hours of track time.
3. I noticed no difference in the 325 rear 3R's vs. the 305 3R's in my car.
4. I could put more power out at corner exit on my car (don't know why, but I could, potentially alignment related)
5. The 1LE is more predictable and controllable at the limit or when sliding.
6. Straight-line acceleration was equivalent after adjusting for slower corner exit.
7. The difference in lap times would really come down to driver and track conditions.

If there is enough interest, then I’ll do a video of the data with more details in a couple weeks.

1. This is good news for me. I have this combo of pads for next year!
2. Yep, been in that situation lots of times. I am thinking of not going to TNiAs next year and picking out 3 or so better full track days to spend my money, time, and vacation days on.
3. Also good news as I will have a set of 305 square G3Rs next year. Hard to believe tho.
4. Probably the softer suspension making it easier to put the power down.
5. I would like to drive one.
6. Was this an A10 too?
7.

[Badmojo]

Originally Posted by TheRealJA105

6. Was this an A10 too?
7.

Yes, both cars were A10's.