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04-02-2021, 01:03 PM | #16 | |
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For being such a good car, the Camaro sales market is just bizarre. My '19 2SS sat in the lot for a year until I bought it. At least it had more miles that the '17 I had seen before. So it didn't sit there stagnant.
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04-02-2021, 01:09 PM | #17 | |
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Toyota doesn't even -allow- orders. They build the vehicles the way THEY want to and the dealers take them. Period. The best you can do is place what's called a "Preference Order" which means that they may re-route a specifically-equipped vehicle to your dealership if one rolls off of the line built that way. Did you consider that the reason the other dealer sold the truck that they ordered to your spec quickly was because those kinds of vehicles are impossible to find? That's different from them being popular... Just because they sold QTY 1 built like that, and did it quickly, doesn't mean that stocking them would jump their sales numbers... Sadly, GM absolutely does -not- stand behind the products like they should. Their engineers and QA process leaves a lot to be desired in a number of fit and finish areas. They have spent a lot of time (and money) developing excuses as to why things are considered to be "in spec" instead of ensuring that things are correct before they leave the factory. In the last six or seven years, I've been appalled at what I've learned about what they consider "perfectly acceptable" as it pertains to various defects in the paint (like large clear coat drips and debris in the paint AND the clear coat). It makes me wonder how some vehicles manage to escape the factory with a quality paint job given how adamant they are that their crappy spray and wet sand process is "good enough". |
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04-02-2021, 01:21 PM | #19 | |
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The issue with full paint correct these days is that you have very little clear coat to begin with and you're taking some of it away to correct issues that shouldn't be there in the first place. And, while ceramic coatings add protection, they don't replace what the clear coat can do and you have to keep them up. Personally, I focus on a quickly touched-up SiO2 type of sealant that I do at home for cheap and can easily touch up the whole car in about 20-30 minutes after it's been washed. |
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GM stood behind my 07 2500 truck just fine. But the fender rusted. I went for a Ford alumaduty. Fender wont rust. Steering stabilizers have been on consecutive TSBs... I went and bought one from a quality aftermarket supplier. Pisses me off they couldnt just spend a few more dollars on a 60 thousand dollar truck to fix an issue everyone everywhere knows how to fix.... while they make consecutive replacements so marginally better that its a joke.
You could buy a Honda. We got good service leasing Infinities but I wouldnt really seek to buy one and plan on keeping it long term. Although we almost bought our Q60. The previous model with NA 3.2L 6... But I understand even those can be a problem long term. Chrysler products rust to hell. I heard some of the Subarus had trans failures that locked up all 4 wheels. My sisters last X3 was such a POS it was in the shop 25 times in 3 years and the lease returned with only 6,000 miles. I can see by your garage your favorite ride is from 1966 and I can identify with that but some of us cant afford to just have a garage queen or something that is too special to drive hell out of. Im not really aware of any of these manufacturers truly standing behind much of anything but their own asses. The vast majority of cars have fallen into the appliance category and are totally undesirable. Stood behind or not. For the most part Camaro owners are very happy with their cars. In love with them in fact. Made in U.S.A. as is my Ford truck. So I can feel somewhat happy to be supporting my fellow workers. The companies they work for... not so much but at least it helps secure their jobs. GM moved truck manufacture out of the US so I didnt even consider their trucks. Ram.. same thing plus rust and tranny issues. If politics continues unchallenged and things keep progressing as they are we are enjoying the last real performance cars widely available with a thumping gas engine. Even though the EVs are showing exciting acceleration. When they want to they can just do a wireless update and turn them into slugs... Or control them via satellite.
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inferior Chinese components and tell the customer, "It's a month out of warranty" so stick it". This is why Toyota because the number one selling vehicle. They take care of their customers in a fashion that screams, "remember us when you want your next vehicle".
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it is very telling about what they think about a future customer. Buyers have friends and family and these issues aren't acceptable when considering the prices gm is demanding. Some things are just not acceptable. GM used to preach about the quality of their product and "If we don't maintain 1st place in quality they will close the factory". Heard it for years and while constantly performing at the top in the quality ratings it didn't stop them from closing the factory. Then the dealer is an entirely different issue. The dealer get's paid to fix gm screw ups but not as much as a customer pay. Toyota on the other hand will unwind a sale and put the customer in another vehicle to make them happy. That is why they are number 1 in sales. It's just good business. Barra makes 22 million a year and sleeps at night knowing there are a trainload of unhappy customers..
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04-02-2021, 05:44 PM | #25 | |
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Hertz is going under and got rid of a lot of their performance cars last year. I live about 40 miles from hertz HQ here in FL. When I was looking last Sept they had some really good deals on the SS and Mustang GT. I mean under 30 thousand miles and 2019 and 2020 models. You could get a 2ss ragtop, 28k miles 2019 for about 32k! The only thing missing was they didn't have NPP but that kind of price that's a steal. Still has a bit of warranty left too but the downside is you know that car was ran hard and not broken in properly. Same with the Mustang GT Premium. Killer deals on 2019 ragtop premiums for about 29 to 31k they were going for. If you were willing to roll the dice on a fleet cars those were amazing deals for a car only one or two years old. |
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04-02-2021, 05:47 PM | #26 | |
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I'm in Southwest FL, Punta Gorda. The Chevy dealers from Bradenton on south to Naples just don't carry a lot of v8 Camaros unless they're ragtop and they sit on the lot for ages usually. The dealer near me finally got V8 Camaros but they were loaded up LT1s nearly 43k and they sit. Jenkins in Venice last Sept had very good deals on left over 1SS. The dealers here in Southwest FL hate carrying performance cars. They like to carry trucks, vans, and SUVs that cater to old people who want big cars. Only one Ford Dealer, Sam Gallaway Ford in Ft. Myers carries normal Mustang GTs not loaded to the max. |
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i do my best not to buy new cars. what i wanted in a camaro was pretty easy to find. i'm still DDing an almost 25 year old, 300k mile jalopy. when it's time to pull the card on the DD i'm afraid i'll have to order what i want (bronco) as i already know there won't be a dealer on the planet who will spec one that way.
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