426 Hemi Challenger - Page 2

hotlap · 05-01-2018, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Clearly people don’t care that much about chassis, or the Camaro would easily be outselling the Mustang and Challenger.

Lap times don’t mean much, outside of magazines and Internet forums. A 426 Hemi making 520+ hp means something.

In 2017, the Camaro out sold the Challenger outright and out sold the Mustang in retail (people).

hotlap · 05-01-2018, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SecondZ28

Very interesting. If you can't fix the chassis, just add more power. But it Could just be for a limited run like Chevy did with COPO

It makes sense to do this for 2020. Similar to 2014 before the gen6 Mustang (15) and Camaro (16). Do a power increase instead of a new generation to remain relevant. Crazy that its still the same car. Like Rocky 4...getting old

rocket403 · 05-01-2018, 10:52 AM

Wow JD Power Now gives the Challenger full marks I guess Dodge has been busy addressing some of the issues.

https://www.asburyauto.com/compare/2...-camaro/145786

Bhobbs · 05-01-2018, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlap

In 2017, the Camaro out sold the Challenger outright and out sold the Mustang in retail (people).

Sure, the Camaro has outsold the Challenger, but for how much longer? Camaro sales have been trending downward, while Challenger sales have been trending up.

hotlap · 05-01-2018, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Sure, the Camaro has outsold the Challenger, but for how much longer? Camaro sales have been trending downward, while Challenger sales have been trending up.

Has the Camaro every not outsold the Challenger? 2017 was significant

Retail ATP's 2017 (JDPin)
Camaro: $39,514
Challenger: $35,498 (-$4,016)
Mustang: $33,792 (-$5,722)

Retail Sales 2017
Camaro: 65,222
Mustang: 60,581 (-4641)
Challenger: 45,821 (-19,401)

Total Sales 2017
Mustang 81,866
Camaro 67,940 (-13,926)
Challenger 64,537 (-17,329)

Percentage of Total Sales that are Fleet/Rental 2017
Camaro 4%
Mustang 26% (+22%)
Challenger 29% (+25%)

rocket403 · 05-01-2018, 11:48 AM

Looks like this will be the year that it will happen unless GM gives some major incentives.

JD Power rates the Challenger over the Camaro

http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...dability-study

rocket403 · 05-01-2018, 11:52 AM

Here is the year today figures for 2018 as taken from Torque News

"After the first three months of 2018, Chevrolet has sold just 11,792 examples of the Camaro while Dodge has sold 17,648 Challengers – giving the Mopar a lead of nearly 6,000 units. The Mustang is in first with 19,164, so Ford has a lead on the segment of about 1,500 units, but based on the past few years, the Mustang is the odds-on favorite to win 2018 again. However, with the Camaro already trailing the Challenger by 6,000 units and no real changes planned for either cars during the key sales months of the summer, it seems unlikely that Chevrolet will be able to mount a run at the other two muscle cars."

hotlap · 05-01-2018, 12:21 PM

I remember Newmoon dancing in March 2017 because Challenger was ahead of Camaro. Maybe Q1 is fleet season at Dodge.?.?

Regardless, Chevy is focused on retail and they win that handily. By the way, "people" preference is what I replied to and Camaro wins there.

Percentage of Total Sales that are Fleet/Rental 2017
Camaro 4%
Mustang 26% (+22%)
Challenger 29% (+25%)

RaceFuel · 05-01-2018, 03:11 PM

I see lots of new Challengers around where I live (Grants Pass, Oregon). I see a lot of 5th Gen Camaro's..but not many Gen 6 cars at all. There's a ZL1 in my area, and I did see a new SS/1LE but that's about it...

Royal Tiger · 05-01-2018, 04:11 PM

Dodge knows thier market. Aging people with no sporty pretensions, so decals and more power in an already overwhelmed chassis works. Chevy had a good thing going, but got goaded by Ford to try and turn the Camaro into a sports car when they already sell the far superior to all 3 Corvette. Kudos to Dodge. It’ll be interesting to see if FCA sells Chrysler Group to a Chinese company what the future would hold.

*DGthe3* · 05-01-2018, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Royal Tiger

Dodge knows thier market. Aging people with no sporty pretensions, so decals and more power in an already overwhelmed chassis works. Chevy had a good thing going, but got goaded by Ford to try and turn the Camaro into a sports car when they already sell the far superior to all 3 Corvette. Kudos to Dodge. It’ll be interesting to see if FCA sells Chrysler Group to a Chinese company what the future would hold.

Huh? The Camaro was already the better sports car than the Mustang in the 5th gen. And the 4th gen was before my time, but from what I gather the same basically held true back then too.

SecondZ28 · 05-01-2018, 10:24 PM

Looks like it already exists. Commercial was about a current product, not future...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopni...1719935429/amp

rocket403 · 05-02-2018, 08:17 AM

The 426 will be added to the 2020 Challenger for road use so they are using a current race car to tease a future offering.

2020 Model Year. 426/7.0L HO.

sherob · 05-02-2018, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by rocket403

The 426 will be added to the 2020 Challenger for road use so they are using a current race car to tease a future offering.

2020 Model Year. 426/7.0L HO.

05-01-2018, 12:21 PM	#22
hotlap Drives: 20 1LE 2SS M6 Rally Green Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Franklin WI Posts: 6,632	I remember Newmoon dancing in March 2017 because Challenger was ahead of Camaro. Maybe Q1 is fleet season at Dodge.?.? Regardless, Chevy is focused on retail and they win that handily. By the way, "people" preference is what I replied to and Camaro wins there. Percentage of Total Sales that are Fleet/Rental 2017 Camaro 4% Mustang 26% (+22%) Challenger 29% (+25%) __________________ "the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” Ronald Reagan -

05-01-2018, 03:11 PM	#23
RaceFuel Drives: A boring sedan Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Medford,Oregon Posts: 196	I see lots of new Challengers around where I live (Grants Pass, Oregon). I see a lot of 5th Gen Camaro's..but not many Gen 6 cars at all. There's a ZL1 in my area, and I did see a new SS/1LE but that's about it... __________________

05-01-2018, 10:24 PM	#26
SecondZ28 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Illinois Posts: 807	Looks like it already exists. Commercial was about a current product, not future... https://www.google.com/amp/s/jalopni...1719935429/amp __________________ '13 ZL1 '06 TBSS '98 TJ '87 GN

05-01-2018, 10:52 AM	#17
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	Wow JD Power Now gives the Challenger full marks I guess Dodge has been busy addressing some of the issues. https://www.asburyauto.com/compare/2...-camaro/145786

05-01-2018, 11:48 AM	#20
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	Looks like this will be the year that it will happen unless GM gives some major incentives. JD Power rates the Challenger over the Camaro http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...dability-study

05-01-2018, 11:52 AM	#21
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	Here is the year today figures for 2018 as taken from Torque News "After the first three months of 2018, Chevrolet has sold just 11,792 examples of the Camaro while Dodge has sold 17,648 Challengers – giving the Mopar a lead of nearly 6,000 units. The Mustang is in first with 19,164, so Ford has a lead on the segment of about 1,500 units, but based on the past few years, the Mustang is the odds-on favorite to win 2018 again. However, with the Camaro already trailing the Challenger by 6,000 units and no real changes planned for either cars during the key sales months of the summer, it seems unlikely that Chevrolet will be able to mount a run at the other two muscle cars."

05-01-2018, 04:11 PM	#24
Royal Tiger Account Suspended Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Convertible Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Lehigh Valley, PA Posts: 3,873	Dodge knows thier market. Aging people with no sporty pretensions, so decals and more power in an already overwhelmed chassis works. Chevy had a good thing going, but got goaded by Ford to try and turn the Camaro into a sports car when they already sell the far superior to all 3 Corvette. Kudos to Dodge. It’ll be interesting to see if FCA sells Chrysler Group to a Chinese company what the future would hold.

05-02-2018, 08:17 AM	#27
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	The 426 will be added to the 2020 Challenger for road use so they are using a current race car to tease a future offering. 2020 Model Year. 426/7.0L HO.

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