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Lets say the specs for the Z51 come out and just for S&G say GM claims an 11.2 for the 1/4. That to me would be an amazing time, as its almost 3/4 of a second off the C7. That does not best the Z06 though are you going to be disappointed? Quote:
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08-09-2019, 09:52 AM | #2972 |
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IF the car comes in at 11.2, I wouldn't be dissapoined in the car, because that's a solid time, BUT I would be dissapointed in GM telling us that it will beat the Z06 in all metrics, and then it didn't.
When the C7 Z06 came out, Chevy claimed 0-60 in 2.95 seconds, and a 1/4 mile of 10.95 at 127 mph. Now Chevy is claiming that the C8 Z51 will best these numbers. At this point, I expect a 1/4 mile time in the 10's. But that's not my expectation, that's Chevy's at this point. I can understand the skepticism, but time will tell... |
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I think some of you are underestimating how much difference the mid-engine chassis will make on the ability of the car to put the power down. Especially considering the shortcomings of the traditional 'Vette's rear suspension.
The chief complaint about the C7 ZO6 and ZR1 on the track is the inability to put the power down, and the lack of composure in the rear, I have no doubt a mid-engine platform that is better balanced would be able to match the ZO6 lap times with less power. Same thing with 1/4 mile... if it can put the power down better, it's going to ET better for a given power level, though the mph will probably be lower. There were members on the 'Vette forum posting high 10 sec ETs when the C7 first came out, though they were at tracks like Atco with ridiculous DAs. I won't be at all surprised to see the C8 run 10s in good conditions. |
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455-470 to the wheels. Which is what the C7s claimed to have at the crank. Or 40-60 more than what the C7s were making at the wheels. That alone is more than enough to drop ET by a significant amount. And what about aerodynamics? Perhaps the C8 is by far superior to the C7 in that regard. I doubt it is any one of these things alone but everything put together that could allow the C8 to achieve more than the C7 Z06 could. Remember, GM switched to this design in the first place because the front engine design was very limited. It could be that the C8 took a huge jump ahead. And I will repeat, comparing the C8 to the C7 Z06 looking at only the numbers is what many people are mistaken. You can't just keep looking at "650" vs "495" and finding it incomprehensible that the C8 Z51 is superior. Nor can you compare it to the other cars with ME design and more HP. Perhaps all those other ME cars are not as good as what GM could produce when only performance is the focus. We already saw that GM was keeping up with many of those Supercars in the past. Now with a better design I find it possible that GM could surpass them even if they have more HP or forced induction or AWD. But we'll know next Thursday for sure. |
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However, given the weight and the power specs, I don't think there's enough to get into the 10s, which was the "official" time for the Z06 auto. I could see it matching the "official" Z06 manual time of 11.2 though, at best. Will we? I think they're only announcing pricing next week. |
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Like I said, road course I could easily see it besting the Z06. It's the pure acceleration I can't figure out. No matter how good and efficient the platform is eventually weight and horsepower are going to come into play. All I am saying is based on real world evidence from other similar vehicles it doesn't seem likely to be a sub 11 second car is all. You can happily serve me up crow if I am wrong lol.
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I think most modern transmissions are between 10-15% loss now but that depends on who you ask and if the dyno is happy or not lol.
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Well if they haven't then that shows just how good GM is at building performance cars. Because if they need all that much more HP to do what GM claims they are doing with "only" 495 HP, then that says a lot. |
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