[WhiteMale]

To say "every one be safe no matter the narrative" is how you ended up with all the Tyranny you have now. This notion of everything in the blanket of "safety" is a big pile of crap.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Aragorn

United States

Coronavirus Cases:
42,432,922
Deaths:
684,576
Recovered:
32,244,670

The CDC site allows a deeper dive into the data. I'm always interested to see deaths and hospitalizations since cases don't tell much. It appears the trend is declining.

I noticed the deaths say COVID. Hospitalizations say with COVID.


https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...aphicsovertime

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...tions-severity

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by Orange ss

Also from my personal experience, I did have loss of smell and taste ,even to this day some things are not the same ..like lemon juice is not as strong to me as it used to be .Also my fever got to 105 and the chills were the worse I think ever had .that was back in December.

Early last year, My uncle in his 70s, deceased. My grandfather who was 99, deceased. Recently My sister-in-law (healthy police officer anti vaxx) in her 30s went on her own accord to the hospital with breathing issue, was discharged, rushed back to the hospital three days later in an ambulance, couldn’t breathe. Finally recovered after a few weeks.

[KenKat]

@hotlap, good job on the data and source references, really interesting

[Orange ss]

Originally Posted by Aragorn

Early last year, My uncle in his 70s, deceased. My grandfather who was 99, deceased. Recently My sister-in-law (healthy police officer anti vaxx) in her 30s went on her own accord to the hospital with breathing issue, was discharged, rushed back to the hospital three days later in an ambulance, couldn’t breathe. Finally recovered after a few weeks.

Very sorry to about your family loss..almost lost my father to covid..He is his 70s .he ended being in a coma for mouths and lost so much waight .got down to 145 and was like 230 before getting sick ..he did get the vaccine after recovering from covid. And this year been a little hard on him..he had a blood clot in his neck that had to be removed and crazy amount of over acking kidney stones..not sure if the vaccine or being sick from covid had anything to do with it ..but just thankful still have him .

[Moto-Mojo]

Originally Posted by Orange ss

Very sorry to about your family loss..almost lost my father to covid..He is his 70s .he ended being in a coma for mouths and lost so much waight .got down to 145 and was like 230 before getting sick ..he did get the vaccine after recovering from covid. And this year been a little hard on him..he had a blood clot in his neck that had to be removed and crazy amount of over acking kidney stones..not sure if the vaccine or being sick from covid had anything to do with it ..but just thankful still have him .

I tend to believe vaccine complications are severely underreported in the overall media. Blood clots are all too common a side effect. Know a 30-something who’s been blind for three months post vaccines. It was finally determined to be a blood clot. (tho still blind) The ‘cure’ should not be doing this to people.

Even the mostly silly story about the rapper chick’s friend and his swollen testicles is not unprecedented. VAERS reports 46 such events. How many weren’t reported? The vaccines do indeed seem to play ‘some’ role in both male and female reproductive issues. Unfortunate coincidence? Is blindness and reproductive harm a perfectly acceptable inconvenience to avoiding a disease you still conservatively stand a 98% chance of surviving?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by KenKat

@hotlap, good job on the data and source references, really interesting

I’m glad to hear it’s appreciated. Data is always more interesting and informative than spinning media pundits.

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by Orange ss

Very sorry to about your family loss..almost lost my father to covid..He is his 70s .he ended being in a coma for mouths and lost so much waight .got down to 145 and was like 230 before getting sick ..he did get the vaccine after recovering from covid. And this year been a little hard on him..he had a blood clot in his neck that had to be removed and crazy amount of over acking kidney stones..not sure if the vaccine or being sick from covid had anything to do with it ..but just thankful still have him .

Glad to hear he pulled through!

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

I tend to believe vaccine complications are severely underreported in the overall media. Blood clots are all too common a side effect. Know a 30-something who’s been blind for three months post vaccines. It was finally determined to be a blood clot. (tho still blind) The ‘cure’ should not be doing this to people.

Even the mostly silly story about the rapper chick’s friend and his swollen testicles is not unprecedented. VAERS reports 46 such events. How many weren’t reported? The vaccines do indeed seem to play ‘some’ role in both male and female reproductive issues. Unfortunate coincidence? Is blindness and reproductive harm a perfectly acceptable inconvenience to avoiding a disease you still conservatively stand a 98% chance of surviving?

Evidence please, thank you.

[strykerg8gt]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

I tend to believe vaccine complications are severely underreported in the overall media. Blood clots are all too common a side effect. Know a 30-something who’s been blind for three months post vaccines. It was finally determined to be a blood clot. (tho still blind) The ‘cure’ should not be doing this to people.

Even the mostly silly story about the rapper chick’s friend and his swollen testicles is not unprecedented. VAERS reports 46 such events. How many weren’t reported? The vaccines do indeed seem to play ‘some’ role in both male and female reproductive issues. Unfortunate coincidence? Is blindness and reproductive harm a perfectly acceptable inconvenience to avoiding a disease you still conservatively stand a 98% chance of surviving?

The numbers you're giving are extremely small given the number of vaccines administered. If you want to look at it from a numbers game, I'd rather risk a 46 in 100,000,000 chance of having swollen testicles as opposed to a 2 in 100 chance of not recovering from Covid.

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by strykerg8gt

The numbers you're giving are extremely small given the number of vaccines administered. If you want to look at it from a numbers game, I'd rather risk a 46 in 100,000,000 chance of having swollen testicles as opposed to a 2 in 100 chance of not recovering from Covid.

Another interesting thing about VAERS is that with it being open to the public, there is a certain amount of misuse. They make it clear not to draw conclusions or take a report as fact.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by strykerg8gt

The numbers you're giving are extremely small given the number of vaccines administered. If you want to look at it from a numbers game, I'd rather risk a 46 in 100,000,000 chance of having swollen testicles as opposed to a 2 in 100 chance of not recovering from Covid.

What age group / demographic is 2 in 110 of dying (1 in 55)?

Source

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Silver14

Another interesting thing about VAERS is that with it being open to the public, there is a certain amount of misuse. They make it clear not to draw conclusions or take a report as fact.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

VAERS accepts reports of adverse events and reactions that occur following vaccination. Healthcare providers, vaccine manufacturers, and the public can submit reports to the system. While very important in monitoring vaccine safety, VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness. The reports may contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable. In large part, reports to VAERS are voluntary, which means they are subject to biases. This creates specific limitations on how the data can be used scientifically. Data from VAERS reports should always be interpreted with these limitations in mind.

Another interesting fact. The CDC reports hospitalizations with COVID. The ill person’s comorbidity could be the primary reason and COVID coincidental.

[Moto-Mojo]

Originally Posted by Aragorn

Evidence please, thank you.

As I’ve mentioned before, a family member works in medical records and virtually all my evidence is empirical. It’s mostly a fools errand to post up some tripe from 15 websites that I guarantee will have a polar opposite counter, depending on the site’s political leanings and ownership. I’d rather hear from my sources, first hand. Few are speaking for the people who have real complications. And getting more severe breakthrough cases.

And while they might be relatively few by comparison now, we’ll know more when the grand experiment is father along. The vaccines and their results ARE the ongoing trial.

Who can explain this away? Israel is in their FORTH surge and has administered a number of 3rd shots. We not getting the whole story about just who is vaxxed, getting sick and is hospitalized. Some of my ‘data’ supports that.