[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

This is the beauty of Ford’s strategy. A good number of the 60X would have loved to own a Mustang but for practical reasons can’t. So if they’re deciding between an Equinox, a RAV4 Hybrid and a Mach E, Ford probably wins that argument. As far as the 99% of the 2X, they weren’t going to buy a Ford EV CUV no matter what it’s called. Ford’s solution for them is to still have a Mustang coupe available. They’ll bring in far more new buyers than they will lose Mustang tried-and-true.

That's a lot of assumptions - none that can truly be quantified. As for sales, the local Mach E's ones continue to sit on the dealer lots...

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

That's a lot of assumptions - none that can truly be quantified. As for sales, the local Mach E's ones continue to sit on the dealer lots...

That may be true for Alberta, but in general, sales appear to be pretty good, especially given this twisted market we are in now.

https://electrek.co/2021/07/02/ford-...for-june-2021/

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

That's a lot of assumptions - none that can truly be quantified. As for sales, the local Mach E's ones continue to sit on the dealer lots...

I saw one at a dealership and it didn't do anything for me. I saw one on the GSP a few days ago and it actually did look really nice. I like them.

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I saw one at a dealership and it didn't do anything for me. I saw one on the GSP a few days ago and it actually did look really nice. I like them.

They have a few angles where they look good. And others where they look like a hot garbage fire. It's a very odd vehicle design, that's for sure.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

That may be true for Alberta, but in general, sales appear to be pretty good, especially given this twisted market we are in now.

https://electrek.co/2021/07/02/ford-...for-june-2021/

My opinion is, it would have sold as well as a Gran Torino sub-brand...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

They have a few angles where they look good. And others where they look like a hot garbage fire. It's a very odd vehicle design, that's for sure.

Agree. From head on and an angled side view from the front it's a decent looking vehicle. From a side profile and the rear its a mess. Also appears to be a vehicle where the color and really affect how it looks.

[BlaqWhole]

Info on the upcoming C8 Z06!!

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...ggH_28s7A_3G5k

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Info on the upcoming C8 Z06!!

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2022...ggH_28s7A_3G5k

The ZR1 is gonna be more interesting with the twin turbo setup, the Z06 will have little torque and make more hp only because it revs to the moon. Speaking of that flat plane crank, though... the C8 will become so much like a Ferrari you might as well buy that instead.

[BlaqWhole]

From what I can tell it looks like the C8 is actually gaining more ADM than the GT500. A local dealership sold a 1LT C8 for $30K over MSRP. And I've been hearing more and more stories of them selling for $20K over. GT500s seem to be around the $10K range. Now perhaps it might be due to starting price. Maybe people will spend up to let's say $110K which means a GT500 with original sticker of $98K will only fetch an extra $10K while a C8 with original sticker of $80K can fetch an additional $30K. Maybe. I don't know.

But at $110K I personally would not buy a Base or Z51 C8. For that price I would rather get a fully loaded Base GT500 or a CF GT500. If anything it would be more because those can be modded. Or I'd get one of the other top contenders for that money (Redeye, GTR, etc...) over a C8.

But what really has me curious is how much the C8 Z06 will fetch. Not for nothing, but I'd bet whoever is buying these 1LTs for over $100K will probably have some regrets when the Z06 is available and possibly sells for less than they are now paying for the Base and Z51.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

From what I can tell it looks like the C8 is actually gaining more ADM than the GT500. A local dealership sold a 1LT C8 for $30K over MSRP. And I've been hearing more and more stories of them selling for $20K over. GT500s seem to be around the $10K range. Now perhaps it might be due to starting price. Maybe people will spend up to let's say $110K which means a GT500 with original sticker of $98K will only fetch an extra $10K while a C8 with original sticker of $80K can fetch an additional $30K. Maybe. I don't know.

But at $110K I personally would not buy a Base or Z51 C8. For that price I would rather get a fully loaded Base GT500 or a CF GT500. If anything it would be more because those can be modded. Or I'd get one of the other top contenders for that money (Redeye, GTR, etc...) over a C8.

But what really has me curious is how much the C8 Z06 will fetch. Not for nothing, but I'd bet whoever is buying these 1LTs for over $100K will probably have some regrets when the Z06 is available and possibly sells for less than they are now paying for the Base and Z51.

That doesn't surprise me at all. With the shortage of new cars on the lot and insane used car prices, I have seen plenty of vehicles that are normally easily had at below MSRP, being sold only at MSRP or even over. Hell the dealer right down the street from my office wants 1500-3K over MSRP for a Ranger, local chevy dealer wants 1500 over MSRP for colorados

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by shaffe

That doesn't surprise me at all. With the shortage of new cars on the lot and insane used car prices, I have seen plenty of vehicles that are normally easily had at below MSRP, being sold only at MSRP or even over. Hell the dealer right down the street from my office wants 1500-3K over MSRP for a Ranger, local chevy dealer wants 1500 over MSRP for colorados

Everything is getting markups now. I leased a Ram 1500 for my contract out here in Nebraska and even that had a $2K markup attached. I spoke with several salesmen who are friends of mine and they all said that every vehicle will have a markup. These are not normal times we're living in.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by shaffe

You also ignored my question to you about the rumored z06 engine. Are you going to feel the same way about that or its going to be different because GM made it and now high revs are ok

Originally Posted by shaffe

I know it doesn't have the low end like the camaro does but I feel like saying you can't use the 4 to 7k range on the street is splitting hairs because If you really want to say that power range is not usable on the street, then you can really say that about any performance car. Are you going to say the same about the upcoming Z06 engine

Now that we know more about the Z06, I wanted to return to this discussion.

The Z06 will do 0 to 60 mph in 2.6 seconds. At 460 lb-ft, it has less torque than the C7 Z06, but it won't suffer from the same anemic low speed driving experience as the Voodoo.

Win -win ....win

[shaffe]

touche and wow is all I can say. Z06 is going to be in a league of its own.

It's totally splitting hairs and me just clinging to my argument lol but it still needs to be wound up high in the RPM range to get those numbers which you yourself said you don't like lol. that 460 lb/ft doesn't come on till 6300RPM, so granted its still gonna get to where its going fast than almost anything else still needs to be wound up lol

But like I said that's just clinging to a straw man argument lol(and in total joking tone lol). Can't wait to see what this thing can do, bravo GM bravo.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

touche and wow is all I can say. Z06 is going to be in a league of its own.

It's totally splitting hairs and me just clinging to my argument lol but it still needs to be wound up high in the RPM range to get those numbers which you yourself said you don't like lol. that 460 lb/ft doesn't come on till 6300RPM, so granted its still gonna get to where its going fast than almost anything else still needs to be wound up lol

But like I said that's just clinging to a straw man argument lol(and in total joking tone lol). Can't wait to see what this thing can do, bravo GM bravo.

Agreed - and yes, it will won't feel like even the base Stingray 6.2 in the lower RPM - that's the nature of FPC high revving V8s.

It will be a monster, and the very last fully NA Corvette to be offered (Tadge comment). He also said that they went as large as possible with the displacement to help with the lower end punch, but no matter what, it's an engine that needs to be spun - much like the Voodoo, but let's be honest here, it's nearly 150hp outside of this LT6 performance.