[BMKY]

C&D tested the new supra 0-60 in 3.8s and 1/4 in 12.3s at 113. Very good numbers.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by BMKY

C&D tested the new supra 0-60 in 3.8s and 1/4 in 12.3s at 113. Very good numbers.

All of the performance #s from that C&D test look much better than I expected. 1.07g on the skidpad!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BMKY

C&D tested the new supra 0-60 in 3.8s and 1/4 in 12.3s at 113. Very good numbers.

Very impressive numbers. Looking at a few of the youtube reviews for this car it looks good. I would imagine it will be very tuner friendly so I expect big gains with aftermarket support.

[DWR]

Originally Posted by Vtor_ZL1

*yawn*.. not toyota reliable, yet bmw expensive.

Yep... I feel the same. Though... Toyota seems to actually stand behind their warranty *looks at Chevy*....

[DWR]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

Lol, NOT too focused on HP, it's the definition of how much power is available to do work and the MAIN fact5or in acceleration times, esp 1/4 mile.

It's not a conspiracy, it's a FACT that Germans underrate power.

Your assumption that this isn't happening with the Supra is likely wrong due to claimed acceleration times, but we'll see for sure when they get on dynos.

They don’t technically underrate their power... they simply test it at the highest altitude possible (according to some Audi engineer who I would totally look up the quote from if I weren’t so lazy) so that their hp rating is more of a guarantee that no matter where you are it will make at least that much power.

[Boost Creep]

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Very impressive numbers. Looking at a few of the youtube reviews for this car it looks good. I would imagine it will be very tuner friendly so I expect big gains with aftermarket support.

Very impressive indeed, excited to see what these cars do in the aftermarket and I have a feeling it will do justice to its predecessor.

Originally Posted by DWR

Yep... I feel the same. Though... Toyota seems to actually stand behind their warranty *looks at Chevy*....

You shouldn't. The reliability issues with the BMW V6 engines(and V8's in my case with the s65) is no secret. Why do you feel Toyota would allow their reputation of reliability be tarnished just to partner with BMW to produce a car they didn't have to make?

I assume like me you're not a buyer, making research on the vehicle fruitless in that regard. However, the process that lead to these two cars creation is quite interesting and if it is at all a concern, you would be pleasantly surprised to learn how the Supra was truly developed along side and separate from the Z4, and the true relationship and differences between these two cars.

Sure...yawn for those of us that demand V8's in our performance cars, but for the JPM crowd this is going to turn out to be the best offering in that market in a long time in this price range. The gap between the BRZ/370Z and the GTR is huge in performance and price, this will fit in nicely between them giving interested buyer's a great option to consider. As more information comes out on the new Supra, the more this looks like another home-run by Nobuo Nakamura.

[USAFS197]

I'm very impressed with the metrics I've seen so far. I'm always in the market for another car. My issue, however, is buying a car and then shortly thereafter, another more performance oriented variant comes out of the same vehicle and I'm left feeling like I wasted my money. That happened to me twice with the 1LE. I finally have one and this thing is promising to reproduce the same general performance with a turbo and an auto from the factory at a reasonable price. Color me interested, very interested.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by USAFS197

I'm very impressed with the metrics I've seen so far. I'm always in the market for another car. My issue, however, is buying a car and then shortly thereafter, another more performance oriented variant comes out of the same vehicle and I'm left feeling like I wasted my money. That happened to me twice with the 1LE. I finally have one and this thing is promising to reproduce the same general performance with a turbo and an auto from the factory at a reasonable price. Color me interested, very interested.

That is exactly how every automaker plays the game. First they intro the basic model, usually decked out with a lot of options, since early buyers are usually ready to spend. They let that simmer for a year, year and a half. Then they introduce the first level performance trim. In the case of Camaro that would be 1LE, since SS is part of the basic roll-out. For Mustang, GT is part of the basic roll-out, so they add Performance Packs. Then they follow with the next level / top level offering (ZL1, Shelby). Along the way there may be specialty and/or tribute models launched (Fifty, Hot Wheels, Bullitt, Laguna Seca). All this is to maintain the hype and the press visibility of the brand throughout the life cycle and maintain showroom traffic. It even happens on pickup trucks.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

That is exactly how every automaker plays the game. First they intro the basic model, usually decked out with a lot of options, since early buyers are usually ready to spend. They let that simmer for a year, year and a half. Then they introduce the first level performance trim. In the case of Camaro that would be 1LE, since SS is part of the basic roll-out. For Mustang, GT is part of the basic roll-out, so they add Performance Packs. Then they follow with the next level / top level offering (ZL1, Shelby). Along the way there may be specialty and/or tribute models launched (Fifty, Hot Wheels, Bullitt, Laguna Seca). All this is to maintain the hype and the press visibility of the brand throughout the life cycle and maintain showroom traffic. It even happens on pickup trucks.

Rumors of a 385-hp version are already out there.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/bmw...s-coming.1785/

[RageWorx]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Rumors of a 385-hp version are already out there.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/bmw...s-coming.1785/

BMW is not underrating this B58 engine but Toyota and their (B58 version TU revision I believe they are calling it) is definitely underrated which is no surprise it is a Supra after all.

I have been following the development this car closely and I would not be shocked at all if this car actually puts down 335+ to the wheels making the crank hp already around the 380 hp mark.

Also judging by its performance metrics its no doubt underrated power wise.

BMW B58s have been putting down 335+ to the wheels stock for a few years now and tune only/e85 cars are seeing huge power bumps (almost 100 hp in some cases). Also the reliability of this B58 has been better than the N54/N55 already (Toyota's influence on the B58 I'm thinking also since the joint development started in 2012).

Important to note ... the B58 has a closed deck block (Even N54 wasn't closed deck and people push HP with them) and strong rotating assembly (almost the same bottom end BMW uses in their 3.0L Diesel !!) So while time will tell and maybe this B58 doesn't end up quite as stout as the legendary 2jZ-GTE in stock form .... either way this is the closest we will get to a Modern more efficient 2jZ so people really need to stop bitching LOL.

I have to mention the sound (I have seen the car already in person and heard a bit of the stock exhaust setup ..... it sounds gorgeous for a factory exhaust very MKIV/2JZ ish to me with a burble tune lol).

Let all the haters hate on this car but I see big things from this platform in the future and this is a GREAT start.

It seems like more Camaro, Vette, Mustang, BMW, and Porsche (Cayman) owners are far more interested in this car than the Toyota Fan Boyz ..... thats fine that means people will actaully buy them this time instead of like the MKIV Supra that no one wanted until after production ended then it was the most Hyped up car look at the used MKIV values its INSANE!!!!


Also I think I'm ordering one

-Jon

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by RageWorx

BMW is not underrating this B58 engine but Toyota and their (B58 version TU revision I believe they are calling it) is definitely underrated which is no surprise it is a Supra after all.

I have been following the development this car closely and I would not be shocked at all if this car actually puts down 335+ to the wheels making the crank hp already around the 380 hp mark.

Also judging by its performance metrics its no doubt underrated power wise.

BMW B58s have been putting down 335+ to the wheels stock for a few years now and tune only/e85 cars are seeing huge power bumps (almost 100 hp in some cases). Also the reliability of this B58 has been better than the N54/N55 already (Toyota's influence on the B58 I'm thinking also since the joint development started in 2012).

Important to note ... the B58 has a closed deck block (Even N54 wasn't closed deck and people push HP with them) and strong rotating assembly (almost the same bottom end BMW uses in their 3.0L Diesel !!) So while time will tell and maybe this B58 doesn't end up quite as stout as the legendary 2jZ-GTE in stock form .... either way this is the closest we will get to a Modern more efficient 2jZ so people really need to stop bitching LOL.

I have to mention the sound (I have seen the car already in person and heard a bit of the stock exhaust setup ..... it sounds gorgeous for a factory exhaust very MKIV/2JZ ish to me with a burble tune lol).

Let all the haters hate on this car but I see big things from this platform in the future and this is a GREAT start.

It seems like more Camaro, Vette, Mustang, BMW, and Porsche (Cayman) owners are far more interested in this car than the Toyota Fan Boyz ..... thats fine that means people will actaully buy them this time instead of like the MKIV Supra that no one wanted until after production ended then it was the most Hyped up car look at the used MKIV values its INSANE!!!!


Also I think I'm ordering one

-Jon

Wow great information. I certainly am not one of the Haters out there. The prior Supras have earned way to much respect for that in regards to street performance. Tune/E85 +100 hp would make this car great fun.

[RageWorx]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Wow great information. I certainly am not one of the Haters out there. The prior Supras have earned way to much respect for that in regards to street performance. Tune/E85 +100 hp would make this car great fun.

Definitely a good way to look it.

Toyota essentially gave us a lighter Z4 M Coupe with an active rear diff/elsd (the Z4 M40i has an LSD but not an the full active elsd ///M differential) with more striking/controversial styling (which I'm a fan of honestly but looks are subjective). Some reviewers that drove both the new Z4 and Supra even said they drive different and the Supra was more fun to drive/had better steering which is one of the main BMW complaints currently.

Here is the kicker though .... The new Z4 starts at 63K and the Supra starts at 49K !! While 49k is not necessarily cheap there is some good inherent sports car value here for interested buyers. Something BMW doesn't offer much of and Toyota hasn't in a Long Time.

These cars will run with or beat in some cases the S55 M2 Competitions (and beat the regular N55 M2 in almost all areas) for less $$$ if you can live without a back seat. the M2C is pretty much BMWs best new product minus the new M5 Comp (droool would love to have but 130k yikes!!!) so this is saying alot about the new Supra.

Yes this new Supra is more of a proper 2 seat sports car (Toyota definitely taking shots at the Porsche Cayman) than the last MKIV which had a back seat (lol not really usable) and was more of a GT car but I like that direction and like it better as a smaller sports car now. The short wheel base makes for a very fun car that will rotate on its axis on command.

-Jon

[Emoto]

No offense to those who like it, but from my point of view, this new Supra is one of the most hideous and grotesquely "styled" vehicles I have ever seen.