09-16-2019, 06:55 PM | #3515 |
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A auto ZL1 1LE is cheaper then a base GT500 with Recaros. plus the zl1 has more tech. If you add the tech package to the gt500 base, your near $4000 more then the 1le
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09-16-2019, 07:15 PM | #3516 |
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Good choice!!
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09-17-2019, 07:06 AM | #3517 |
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09-17-2019, 08:02 AM | #3518 |
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I have quite a few around this topic.
This is an argument that has been going on for years and years. Heck, even Porsche discontinued the manual transmission, only to realize that some buyers would choose a more engaging driving experience over a faster shift, and not offering a manual was a mistake. Is there maybe something inherently different about Corvette buyers that maybe this doesn't apply? I think traditionally it seems so, but will the mid-engine design bring more non-traditional Corvette buyers that share the same mindset with these potential Porsche buyers? Is the difficulty in making a manual transmission work in the mid-engine chassis really more at play than anything else in GMs decision to not offer a manual? I think so, but I also wonder if the manual buyers are a dying breed. I do feel like less and less people want 3 pedals, younger generations cant text and drive a manual after all. Maybe it will all but disappear, but I think for a while to come those that crave a manual transmission will have options. If GM doesn't decide to go that route with the ME Vette, thats okay....they still offer the ZL1/ZLE in manual, and I have always lusted over a 911 .
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09-17-2019, 08:02 AM | #3519 | |
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Gaining 100 pounds similar to the zr1 wouldn't be unrealistic, also trim for trim the zr1 didn't quite gain 100 pounds, but it could possibly be slightly less as the zr1 had a lot of cooling over the z06 that needed to be added, where as the zl1s already had the appropriate cooling, though the zr1 also had some carbon fiber bits to make up for some of the gained weight so that might be a moot point. Still a 3900lbs zl1 1le and 4000lbs zl1 isn't 4200 pounds bad. I think an lt5 zl1 would clean sweep a gt500 on a track but would still lose in a straight line due to all the torque management and protections a stock zl1 has that limit it's ability.
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I thought I had that in there lol. But yes also why its so heavy.
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09-17-2019, 09:24 AM | #3522 | |
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As a side note, the disparity in performance of manual c7s vs the autos isn't all that great and pretty much only in a straight line, but in a manual you have to work for it.
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09-17-2019, 09:54 AM | #3523 |
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I was referring to the C8 as the DCT is a much different beast than a regular auto. The only thing that Chevy has that comes close to the DCT in the C8 is the A10.
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09-17-2019, 11:31 AM | #3524 |
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Oh no arguments there, you cited a disparity in performance not a potential disparity so I assumed you meant the c7 auto vs manual. I'm sure a manual version c8 would be behind the dct in every metric.
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09-17-2019, 11:44 AM | #3525 |
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I'm willing to bet so far behind that it would make no sense to offer one -- at least one that's not electronic.
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09-17-2019, 12:49 PM | #3526 | |
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I would look at it another way: would the customer pay +$20k for a manual? Would they sell 5% * 40k cars * $20k = $40mil incremental revenue or just 1% more cars @ $8mil incremental? $40mil would easily cover costs and then some. $8mil not so much. 9/10ths a marketing weasel and a beancounter did the projections and probably came up at the lower end, so they killed it. |
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09-17-2019, 05:45 PM | #3528 |
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And that ZLE is going to get embarrased on the street and strip, you know where people actually drive their cars. If your going to compare a ZL1 to a GT500 base, the ZL1 is a much better comparison, it actually wont throw your back out and rattle your dental fillings loose on the street, and it's faster.
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