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This discussion is quickly drifting toward "I'm gonna hate anything with an electric motor and no matter what they do I'm gonna say it should have been something else"
Unless you're that guy, there is nothing not to like about this truck. A person could theoretically buy one and never use the ICE at all. Ever. And they'd have a truck with huge power that they weren't having to constantly fill with fuel. I'd sign up for that Or, if they had to travel, they could get in and drive across the country with no range worries whatsoever. While pulling pretty much anything normal people pull. I call that a win. I am as much of a "don't shove EV's down my throat" person as anybody, but this isn't that. This is the perfect solution to the current situation where you must choose between thrifty and underpowered or powerful and thirsty. And if a person doesn't want one, ICE trucks are going to be around for a LONG time so nobody is being forced to get one. So, again, what's not to like? |
11-10-2023, 12:30 AM | #1318 |
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11-10-2023, 05:48 AM | #1319 |
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11-10-2023, 10:11 PM | #1321 |
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The 3.6 V-6 makes a lot of sense to me. It has relatively few parts and is a very efficiently designed engine from a production perspective.
The second reason is that a 4-cyl would be buzzy at a generator type duty cycle. The V-6 would potentially operate at lower revs with a more muted tone.
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11-11-2023, 05:08 PM | #1322 |
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I wonder if the carbon credits even out, sustaining all the new charging stations through deforestation?
https://jalopnik.com/were-going-to-h...-up-1851007188 |
11-12-2023, 04:01 AM | #1323 | |
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11-12-2023, 05:37 AM | #1324 |
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I am not anti electric car or green energy, but I am against all of the disinformation and lies associated with green energy. It will be the future and it will be green but right now its in its infancy and being forced on us. To make a ton of Lithium it takes 500,000 thousand gallons of water, child labor is used in the lithium mines leading to short lives and most of the mines are owned by China, many of the components come from China. Solar takes a huge footprint and takes away valuable farm land, Once again much comes from China, and there will be a HUGE deposal problem once they reach end of life. Unless you have a storage solution much of your solar energy is wasted the traditional generators are still running whether the sun is out or not. Nuclear is clean, efficient and safe but its virtually impossible to build a plant in the U.S. due to legal challenges by the same tree huggers that hate fossil fuel. Natural gas was the answer to clean energy 20 years ago and has proven its worth but since its a fossil fuel the government says it has to go. We have made it so restrictive and costly to manufacture in this country much has moved to Chuna and third world countries that have zero interest in protecting the environment. We are damaging it far worse by importing overseas. Germany has been on the renewable energy bandwagon for a while but is now expanding its coal power plants (coal can be clean). China and Russia are building new coal powerplants without using clean technology-they just want cheap reliable power. Green energy right now is all about money and control and has very little to do with protecting our world.
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11-12-2023, 01:44 PM | #1325 |
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EVs falling flat on its face as we speak.
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11-12-2023, 01:52 PM | #1326 |
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Why do you say that? As you plan your answer know that I will come back with a ton of data showing the opposite.
I’ll start with…
So, again…why do you say EV is falling flat on its face?
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11-12-2023, 05:49 PM | #1327 |
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About 27-28 years ago I tested various EV's for the company I currently work for. I tested multiple vehicles from start up companies to General Motors. Back then everything was lead acid and very heavy-most had a range of 100 miles or less, some couldn't make it up a hill if you stepped for a red light. One almost killed me due to using the factory brakes
while weighing over 9,000 pounds. The GM S10 I tested was a fantastic vehicle that actually could go a 100 miles + but by then my company saw there was a long way to go before EV's were practical and cancelled the project. About 3 years ago they jumped in and installed charging stations at all their locations and switched upper management to EV's most are hybrids with a range of less than 40 miles pure electric. Any first responders still have a gas/diesel vehicle as we may be working 30+ hours strait with no way to recharge. |
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Common sense can tell you that. Think about it. Its a fad. People who buy electric are trading them back in for gas. Who's going to sit around a read a book while your car is charging when you have places to go? The Electric Grid can't handle it now on hot days. Anyone with real brains would say lets completely overhaul our power grid system first, then begin to possibly implement EVs. Tires wear much quicker, and we don't want EVs forced down our throats by fools. Battery components mined by children in the Congo one step above slave labor. You should feel really good driving your EV knowing children got sick and died and were paid pennies so you could drive your Boujie' EV. China controlling the minerals and mines that go into the makeup of the battery, a great way to support our enemy the CCP. We haven't even figured out how to dispose of old batteries as they are highly toxic. Now we hear of the batteries catching on fire. We also hear the batteries are leaching toxic fumes into the vehicles and we have no clue on how that effects health. But Last edited by MyNameIs; 11-12-2023 at 07:14 PM. Reason: kj |
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First a few facts…
So this is DATA (not YouTube clickbait) from industry experts.
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11-12-2023, 07:57 PM | #1330 | |
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Now let’s handle this part.
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And even then, the Tesla can charge from 20% to 80% charge in roughly a half hour. If we wanted to we could watch Netflix or any other streaming on the car’s screen for that half hour or so. Some people chose to play video games on it. Wouldn’t be my choice, but you did ask what people do.
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