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Old 10-20-2019, 05:15 PM   #43
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Rev match

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I support your cause (saving the manuals). That's all I've tracked to date (besides off road track days in my ZR2 truck). However, I've personally decided to spend some time with autos and dual clutch, mainly because it appears the C8 Z06 I'm waiting on might not have a manual. I'm anxious to see if I'll enjoy focusing on the other aspects of track driving. I do think I'll miss hill/toe downshifts though, but those have been gone since C7 vettes and 6th gen camaros I believe (can you turn the rev matching off?).
Rev match is not permanently turned on in manual c7s and 6th gens. In fact you have to turn it on, the default setting when you turn the car on is rev match off.
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Old 10-20-2019, 05:17 PM   #44
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Rev match is not permanently turned on in manual c7s and 6th gens. In fact you have to turn it on, the default setting when you turn the car on is rev match off.
Pretty cool!
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Old 10-20-2019, 05:59 PM   #45
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Maybe... but Wise was not there in previous years. There's a lot to say about same day same conditions. Either way the Auto rules.
When lap times are this close it will be the driver that rules the day regardless of transmission.
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Old 10-20-2019, 06:04 PM   #46
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When lap times are this close it will be the driver that rules the day regardless of transmission.
...plus track conditions
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Old 10-20-2019, 09:31 PM   #47
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same driver, different year. He drove the M6 car much better IMHO in more advantageous atmospheric conditions and ended up with a slower time vs the A10. Seems like the answer is clear about the ZLE A10.
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:51 AM   #48
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...plus track conditions
True, amongst many many other conditions etc. Point being nearly all of us here is not a pro driver and it almost always comes down to the driver and not the machine etc. Especially if said machines are so close in capability.

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same driver, different year. He drove the M6 car much better IMHO in more advantageous atmospheric conditions and ended up with a slower time vs the A10. Seems like the answer is clear about the ZLE A10.
Well yah, this should surprise no one. Adding on to my post above it will be especially easier for the average/intermediate driver to go faster in an auto than a MT generally speaking.
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Old 11-04-2019, 09:49 AM   #49
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Old 11-04-2019, 12:49 PM   #50
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The A10 allows you to focus on going faster and braking, and that makes anyone (at any level) a faster driver. Not sure why all the push back here! The car is crazy responsive, shifts into the right gear much faster than anyone could - both on acceleration and deceleration, and gets you ready to jump out of corners. Most of us with a A10 ZLE don't even consider the paddle shifters.
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Old 12-06-2019, 11:55 PM   #51
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Just going to drag this up from the past, you can watch both the 6MT and A10 lightning lap videos on YouTube.

Both cars were exactly tied to oak tree, tied through the straight leading up to Bitch, where they got to the "4" braking marker within a tenth of each other - the 6MT got there at ~1:24.3, the A10 was ~1:24.4.

Entering Spiral on the 6MT video, a quote shows up on the screen about how they had all the traction control turned off. Just then, the driver has a big slide on power that obviously cost time.

I paused both videos again after that little power section at the point where the driver goes neutral throttle. That's where the time penalty from the slide would have eventually ended. With both cars at the exact same point on track, the 6MT is at 2:01.0, and the A10 is at 2:00.3. The 6MT went from 0.1sec ahead to 0.7sec behind due to one driving mistake.

I guess, the moral of the story is-

1) Driving matters, and
2) Buy whichever one you want, don't worry about the fractional difference in lap times between them.
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Old 12-07-2019, 07:53 AM   #52
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Good observation, and good points.

The fact that they were that close a year apart also says a lot about how evenly matched they are in performance.

I do think the track has a lot to do with it, and a busy technical track will favor the A10, but ultimately, the power curve is so flat, the A10 doesn't give the advantage it does in a peaky N/A car like the Ford 5.0s.
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Old 12-07-2019, 08:34 AM   #53
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Great post Rotis! You're spot on, if you can 'shift' with the best of them... there is no difference. And if you read the Lightning Lap results, they attribute their improvement more towards the coaching they received from Bill Wise (the ZLE master).

On the road course... for 'best lap'... the cars are going to be within a tenth or two one way or the other.

However on the dragstrip... we must concede... A10 is going to be king of the quarter mile all day every day!

Love em both none the less!

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Old 12-08-2019, 09:33 PM   #54
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Yea, if you're into drag racing you are much better off with the A10.
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Old 12-08-2019, 09:47 PM   #55
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Just going to drag this up from the past, you can watch both the 6MT and A10 lightning lap videos on YouTube.

Both cars were exactly tied to oak tree, tied through the straight leading up to Bitch, where they got to the "4" braking marker within a tenth of each other - the 6MT got there at ~1:24.3, the A10 was ~1:24.4.
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Wait, that can’t be possible. The auto is SO much faster, LMAO.

You just sent 50 auto owners into a meltdown.

Hilarious.
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Old 12-09-2019, 07:00 AM   #56
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