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Old 05-22-2022, 05:04 PM   #43
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Correct... Ted includes that in his base cam package.
I just figured there were other items i should do, and wanted the teams feedback.

So here is the updated list...

JRE Cam Package...
CAM: 222/234 .635/.635 114LSA 112 ICL +32%
Includes: Pushrods, lifters, gaskets, bolts, etc...

Then i will ad...
1. MM Catch Can
2. Blower Spacer and Blanket
https://fiinterchillers.com/product/...spacer-plates/
3. Green Gates Belt
4. 160 stat.
5. Katech VVT delete + Billet cover + C5R chain
https://shop.katechengines.com/produ...oiling-system/
6. ATI Balancer + 15% OD Pulley

Together that is about $5k which is my budget... so the ported blower will need to wait.

Anything else minor that I am missing?
I can only give an uneducated opinion, others know better but, should you be looking at more of a 38% fuel cam. Further down the road you might need more high side fuel and that would include low side also. The cam should be the right one from the git go because of the cost of pulling the engine. Again, others know better.
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Old 05-22-2022, 05:50 PM   #44
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I can only give an uneducated opinion, others know better but, should you be looking at more of a 38% fuel cam. Further down the road you might need more high side fuel and that would include low side also. The cam should be the right one from the git go because of the cost of pulling the engine. Again, others know better.

Good catch... Ill ask... might be a typo.
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Coated ARH + AWE Touring + Magnaflow Center X + E85 + MSD Coils + Banks iDash + JMS Booster + Synergy Fender Tank
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Old 05-22-2022, 06:09 PM   #45
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I know everyone hates these questions... but what do you think I would pick up doing the JRE cam + ATI with 15% OD Pulley ?


I'm already at 650rwhp / 650rwtq on E50 on a 95 degree day with 150 degree MAP temps... I was running out of fuel on the high side, which is why im doing the cam... Considering I have the JMS on the low side... do you think the cam would get me to 725rwhp after a tune? more or less? Just trying to run a simple $ to HP calculation.
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TSP VVT and DoD Delete Covers + LME Chain Guide + DSX Billet Lid + ATI Damper + 9.17" Lower + 2.4" Upper + MM Wild CC
Coated ARH + AWE Touring + Magnaflow Center X + E85 + MSD Coils + Banks iDash + JMS Booster + Synergy Fender Tank
ALL the RED Rear End BMR Goodies + JRE Terminator Cam Package + Remote Tuning and Moral Support from TED @ JRE
BMR Motor Mounts + DMS Front HX + FIC 30's + APEX SM.10's + 305/345 R888R's = 770rwhp 785rwtq @E50 13.5psi
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Old 05-22-2022, 06:24 PM   #46
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I know everyone hates these questions... but what do you think I would pick up doing the JRE cam + ATI with 15% OD Pulley ?


I'm already at 650rwhp / 650rwtq on E50 on a 95 degree day with 150 degree MAP temps... I was running out of fuel on the high side, which is why im doing the cam... Considering I have the JMS on the low side... do you think the cam would get me to 725rwhp after a tune? more or less? Just trying to run a simple $ to HP calculation.
You’ll gain 75whp from the cam on the high end of rpm range.
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Old 07-16-2022, 04:57 PM   #47
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cant wait... Just need a few more bucks and a pinch more confidence

Anyone have a lift plate they want to sell me?
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TSP VVT and DoD Delete Covers + LME Chain Guide + DSX Billet Lid + ATI Damper + 9.17" Lower + 2.4" Upper + MM Wild CC
Coated ARH + AWE Touring + Magnaflow Center X + E85 + MSD Coils + Banks iDash + JMS Booster + Synergy Fender Tank
ALL the RED Rear End BMR Goodies + JRE Terminator Cam Package + Remote Tuning and Moral Support from TED @ JRE
BMR Motor Mounts + DMS Front HX + FIC 30's + APEX SM.10's + 305/345 R888R's = 770rwhp 785rwtq @E50 13.5psi
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Old 07-28-2022, 10:03 AM   #48
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Project Update.... PARTS have been ordered.

The following are on their way...

- JRE Cam Package with valve-train upgrades
- ATI Balancer with 15% OD Pulley
- Synergy 2 gallon fender tank
- Might Mouse WILD Catch Can
- Katech Oil Pump
- Katech Cast Covers and Coil Relocation Kit
- Katech VVT Delete Front cover
- Katech C5R Chain
- Banks iDash Gauge
- Velossa Tech Ram Air Mouth

So here is my current debate.
Because I am trying to maximize the fueling from the cam and JMS only... I am wondering if I even need to port the blower and add the 103mm TB.

Perhaps I install the above, test, tune, dyno... and see where fueling it at?
I think I can expect 725rwhp with the above?

Then later... Add a low side AUX pump and the ported blower and turn up the E content? Thoughts?
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TSP VVT and DoD Delete Covers + LME Chain Guide + DSX Billet Lid + ATI Damper + 9.17" Lower + 2.4" Upper + MM Wild CC
Coated ARH + AWE Touring + Magnaflow Center X + E85 + MSD Coils + Banks iDash + JMS Booster + Synergy Fender Tank
ALL the RED Rear End BMR Goodies + JRE Terminator Cam Package + Remote Tuning and Moral Support from TED @ JRE
BMR Motor Mounts + DMS Front HX + FIC 30's + APEX SM.10's + 305/345 R888R's = 770rwhp 785rwtq @E50 13.5psi

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Old 07-28-2022, 10:40 AM   #49
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I wanna hear with the chop is on that cam when it's installed.
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Old 07-28-2022, 02:32 PM   #50
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I wanna hear with the chop is on that cam when it's installed.

You bet I will... thanks again for everyone's help on this

Man I love this community!
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TSP VVT and DoD Delete Covers + LME Chain Guide + DSX Billet Lid + ATI Damper + 9.17" Lower + 2.4" Upper + MM Wild CC
Coated ARH + AWE Touring + Magnaflow Center X + E85 + MSD Coils + Banks iDash + JMS Booster + Synergy Fender Tank
ALL the RED Rear End BMR Goodies + JRE Terminator Cam Package + Remote Tuning and Moral Support from TED @ JRE
BMR Motor Mounts + DMS Front HX + FIC 30's + APEX SM.10's + 305/345 R888R's = 770rwhp 785rwtq @E50 13.5psi
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Old 07-28-2022, 02:55 PM   #51
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Project Update.... PARTS have been ordered.

The following are on their way...

- JRE Cam Package with valve-train upgrades
- ATI Balancer with 15% OD Pulley
- Synergy 2 gallon fender tank
- Might Mouse WILD Catch Can
- Katech Oil Pump
- Katech Cast Covers and Coil Relocation Kit
- Katech VVT Delete Front cover
- Katech C5R Chain
- Banks iDash Gauge
- Velossa Tech Ram Air Mouth

So here is my current debate.
Because I am trying to maximize the fueling from the cam and JMS only... I am wondering if I even need to port the blower and add the 103mm TB.

Perhaps I install the above, test, tune, dyno... and see where fueling it at?
I think I can expect 725rwhp with the above?

Then later... Add a low side AUX pump and the ported blower and turn up the E content? Thoughts?
When I spoke with Ted before I installed his Terminator Cam/2650 blower package, I want to believe he cautioned me that the cam or blower by itself would not perform well. Not saying gains wouldn't be seen, just nothing crazy.

I just finished tuning my car with Ted. You might find some of the data helpful. With E50, the car ran 29.5 degrees of timing. Low side fueling held at 70# but the high side dropped to 2400# with IPW of 5.34. The E40 pull saw my high side 2900#, low side 70+# and IPW under 5.

Ted suggested that I keep the E at 40 to be safe. The car is going on the dyno next week. I am going to have them do a pull at E40 and another at E50. I am curious to see the difference.
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Old 07-28-2022, 03:15 PM   #52
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Nice! This is going to sound good and hopefully you’ll have a video posted in a month or so.
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Old 07-28-2022, 04:50 PM   #53
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This looks fun. Can't wait to see the resuls!
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Old 07-28-2022, 07:58 PM   #54
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When I spoke with Ted before I installed his Terminator Cam/2650 blower package, I want to believe he cautioned me that the cam or blower by itself would not perform well. Not saying gains wouldn't be seen, just nothing crazy.

I just finished tuning my car with Ted. You might find some of the data helpful. With E50, the car ran 29.5 degrees of timing. Low side fueling held at 70# but the high side dropped to 2400# with IPW of 5.34. The E40 pull saw my high side 2900#, low side 70+# and IPW under 5.

Ted suggested that I keep the E at 40 to be safe. The car is going on the dyno next week. I am going to have them do a pull at E40 and another at E50. I am curious to see the difference.
29 degrees of timing is quite a bit. What rpm is that? Also What’s the timing at e40 compared to e50? If it’s only a degree less we’re talking 10-15hp.


Your INJ pw is perfectly fine but pressure is indeed dropping .
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Old 07-28-2022, 09:22 PM   #55
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When I spoke with Ted before I installed his Terminator Cam/2650 blower package, I want to believe he cautioned me that the cam or blower by itself would not perform well. Not saying gains wouldn't be seen, just nothing crazy.

I just finished tuning my car with Ted. You might find some of the data helpful. With E50, the car ran 29.5 degrees of timing. Low side fueling held at 70# but the high side dropped to 2400# with IPW of 5.34. The E40 pull saw my high side 2900#, low side 70+# and IPW under 5.

Ted suggested that I keep the E at 40 to be safe. The car is going on the dyno next week. I am going to have them do a pull at E40 and another at E50. I am curious to see the difference.
If your IPW is that low I wouldn't be too concerned about the rail pressure dropping some jmo.... I am surprised you are running out of high side pump before injector unless the cam doesn't have a large enough fuel lobe. I agree with above that the timing Seems excessive, many NA LT1 H/C E85 setups don't run that much.
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Old 07-29-2022, 09:41 AM   #56
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Nice! This is going to sound good and hopefully you’ll have a video posted in a month or so.

You bet... I'll try to document with some good photos at the bare minimum, and perhaps a walk around video when done... Stay tuned
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TSP VVT and DoD Delete Covers + LME Chain Guide + DSX Billet Lid + ATI Damper + 9.17" Lower + 2.4" Upper + MM Wild CC
Coated ARH + AWE Touring + Magnaflow Center X + E85 + MSD Coils + Banks iDash + JMS Booster + Synergy Fender Tank
ALL the RED Rear End BMR Goodies + JRE Terminator Cam Package + Remote Tuning and Moral Support from TED @ JRE
BMR Motor Mounts + DMS Front HX + FIC 30's + APEX SM.10's + 305/345 R888R's = 770rwhp 785rwtq @E50 13.5psi
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