[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Interesting. Did you guys ever dyno a stock 5th gen with the LS3/manual? Curious as to what numbers it put down on your dyno to compare.

I have never used a Superflow unfortunately. Just Dynojets and Mustang dynos...

Hundreds of times, 2010-2012 models are 372-377 RWHP

2013-2015 models are 382-388 due to electric power steering.

This is with Full operating temps, coolant oil, and hood closed.

[stmbtwilli]

In Ted we Trust!!!!!!!!

[ChocoTaco369]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

No this is not the old slush box you are used too. Think more of it more like a hybrid between DCT and normal TC auto. But I would still expect a manual to put down a few more HP/TQ on the same dyno. Just not the 5% difference of previous generations.

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The A6 and M6 5th Gens put down wild differences in power, much more so than the difference at the crank. I understand these are not TH400's. They don't suck 35% drivetrain power. But by design, they cannot be as efficient as a manual. There is more internal weight and drag. There will be a difference.

[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by ChocoTaco369

The A6 and M6 5th Gens put down wild differences in power, much more so than the difference at the crank. I understand these are not TH400's. They don't suck 35% drivetrain power. But by design, they cannot be as efficient as a manual. There is more internal weight and drag. There will be a difference.

The a6 does not have a true 1:1 ratio gear for accurate dyno. 4th gear is 1.15. This hurts the dyno read out for the a6.

[tswilie]

People, People

This is media hype. The Camaro and vette have essentially the same motor, SAE certified to 455 HP. The Camaro is slower per the numbers due to its extra 400 lbs of girth. I am sure we will find out that these numbers are post heressey/henessey modifications.

I predict about a week of run on this story until the truth comes out.

[Blu Ray]

This Bone Stock, or TUNED?

[Rocky1974]

Originally Posted by tswilie

People, People

This is media hype. The Camaro and vette have essentially the same motor, SAE certified to 455 HP. The Camaro is slower per the numbers due to its extra 400 lbs of girth. I am sure we will find out that these numbers are post heressey/henessey modifications.

I predict about a week of run on this story until the truth comes out.

People, People

You don't even know what dyno test you're commenting on. Why would you think that Jannetty, in Connecticut, would be testing a car that has been modified by Hennessy, in Texas? Besides the car that Hennessey tested made 431rwhp. And why do you think that Hennessey would modify a car, then test it and publish the numbers as the baseline? Don't you think that would be kind of a self-defeating thing for a tuner to do?

Another problem you've got is the fact that these cars are being tested all over the country and they are all making much more rear wheel horsepower than their 455hp crank horsepower suggests they should be making. Do you think that they all have been modified by Hennessey?

Look, if you don't believe the numbers, that's fine, but you need come up with a better story, because the "it's been modified by Hennessey" one isn't cutting it.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Rocky1974

People, People

You don't even know what dyno test you're commenting on. Why would you think that Jannetty, in Connecticut, would be testing a car that has been modified by Hennessy, in Texas? Besides the car that Hennessey tested made 431rwhp. And why do you think that Hennessey would modify a car, then test it and publish the numbers as the baseline? Don't you think that would be kind of a self-defeating thing for a tuner to do?

Another problem you've got is the fact that these cars are being tested all over the country and they are all making much more rear wheel horsepower than their 455hp crank horsepower suggests they should be making. Do you think that they all have been modified by Hennessey?

Look, if you don't believe the numbers, that's fine, but you need come up with a better story, because the "it's been modified by Hennessey" one isn't cutting it.

Perhaps you should do some reading on SAE numbers, then compare all the dynos we have seen. Then look at other SAE rated engines and their dynos. You will find a common theme, either everyone is underrated or chassis dynos are not the truth everyone thinks.

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[ULTRAZLS1]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Perhaps you should do some reading on SAE numbers, then compare all the dynos we have seen. Then look at other SAE rated engines and their dynos. You will find a common theme, either everyone is underrated or chassis dynos are not the truth everyone thinks.

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Only thing I will ask is was this just a carry over cert from the vette? Some are saying so and haven't looked into it.

If so I can see the camaro being under rated by about 10-15 hp considering some of the dyno numbers and tri y headers...

From what I've read the driveline shouldn't be any more efficient on the camaro. And the 20s don't help either...

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by Blu Ray

This Bone Stock, or TUNED?

This is Bone Stock my friend with 250 miles on the clock.

Ted.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Only thing I will ask is was this just a carry over cert from the vette? Some are saying so and haven't looked into it.

If so I can see the camaro being under rated by about 10-15 hp considering some of the dyno numbers and tri y headers...

From what I've read the driveline shouldn't be any more efficient on the camaro. And the 20s don't help either...

Someone posted the actual SAE test on here. I didn't get to open it but it said 458hp and specifically mentioned Camaro on it.

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[Rocky1974]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Perhaps you should do some reading on SAE numbers, then compare all the dynos we have seen. Then look at other SAE rated engines and their dynos. You will find a common theme, either everyone is underrated or chassis dynos are not the truth everyone thinks.

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Why do I need to do some reading on SAE numbers? I'm not the one who is claiming that the Jannetty's brand new car with 250 miles on it, was tuned by Hennessey.

[Rocky1974]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Only thing I will ask is was this just a carry over cert from the vette? Some are saying so and haven't looked into it.

If so I can see the camaro being under rated by about 10-15 hp considering some of the dyno numbers and tri y headers...

From what I've read the driveline shouldn't be any more efficient on the camaro. And the 20s don't help either...

I noticed someone saying that also, but I don't see how that's possible. If that were true, the Camaro engine would have the exact same rating as the Corvette engine, but it doesn't. The Corvette's LT-1 is rated at 455 horsepower and 460 pound-feet, The Camaro's LT-1 is rated at 455 horsepower and 455 pound-feet of torque. If it was a carry over cert, how did the Camaro lose 5 pound-feet of peak torque?

[Rocky1974]

Originally Posted by JANNETTYRACING

This is Bone Stock my friend with 250 miles on the clock.

Ted.

No, your car was tuned by Hennessey. Or at least that's tswilie is claiming.