[Camden45]

Originally Posted by cdrptrks

IMO, wait for a 1SS non-1LE or buy the SS 1LE for mountain runs. I have driven two different automatic Camaro SSes in the canyons in California and they are more than capable of keeping cool and going fast enough through the corners to scare you. I would be concerned about overheating an LT1 on spirited mountain runs...they are more designed for daily driving and drag racing from what I have read.

There's no time left for '22 models. Next year has a $2000 increase for V8's($1800+$200 destination increase). With that, the difference between how I would spec a 1SS($45k which includes the increase+ going through the hell of custom orders and waiting months), the price difference between a '22 1SS 1LE and '23 1SS becomes even less and not worth the hassle.

[cdrptrks]

Originally Posted by N Camarolina

I didn't say the 1LE is too much for the street. Yes, it's very civil for DD. My point was because the traction and handling are so good (limits are so high), there isn't much excitement on curvy roads unless you are really pushing it far beyond legal limits. At that point it's unsafe for the other regular vehicles who might be on the road with you and unsafe for you should accidently depart the road surface (ditches, trees, cliffs, etc). That's one of the reasons BRZs and Miyatas are popular (good handling, but lower limits so you can approach the limits at much lower and safer speeds).

The same is true for the SS. I have driven rental Camaro SSes at double or more than the low posted speed limits through curves on the stock runflat tires on empty canyon roads with cliffs on the side and it was quite exciting and actually what prompted me to consider buying my own SS 1LE. The SS 1LE tires are overkill if you are not doing track days but they are usable on the street in California's generally warm and rarely rainy climate.

Even with mag ride in tour mode the SS 1LE is so stiff that it can be uncomfortable over rough or uneven roads like some in downtown Houston and it can scrape the bottom of the front splitter on steep business entrances and exits due to the low ride height but it is quite comfortable on smooth roads and highways and I have driven mine through 20 different States.

[cdrptrks]

Originally Posted by Camden45

There's no time left for '22 models. Next year has a $2000 increase for V8's($1800+$200 destination increase). With that, the difference between how I would spec a 1SS($45k which includes the increase+ going through the hell of custom orders and waiting months), the price difference between a '22 1SS 1LE and '23 1SS becomes even less and not worth the hassle.

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. It might be worth flying to buy one and drive it back if you can find a '22 speced like you want in stock farther away. Also I edited my comment after you quoted it to add some more details so you might want to go back and re-read it.

[Camden45]

Originally Posted by cdrptrks

Interesting, I wasn't aware of that. It might be worth flying to buy one and drive it back if you can find a '22 speced like you want in stock farther away. Also I edited my comment after you quoted it to add some more details so you might want to go back and re-read it.

Yea, I really like cornering like I'm on rails, so I don't think I'd be happy with anything less than something like a PS4S tire. They really did the trim dirty with just a 245 tire.

[cdrptrks]

Originally Posted by Camden45

Rates Were low. Can't find anything better than 3-4% with top tier credit. I'm hoping GM will extend their 1.9% interest program into June at least.

My local credit union currently has 2.69% APR for new cars and used cars model year 2019 and newer. Check any local credit unions if you haven't yet. They are normally free to join and tend to have better hours and service than big banks.

Back when I was looking at new Camaros in 2018, taking the GM financing promo rate would prevent you from getting a $2k discount but idk if that's still the case currently.

[Camden45]

Originally Posted by cdrptrks

My local credit union currently has 2.69% APR for new cars and used cars model year 2019 and newer. Check any local credit unions if you haven't yet. They are normally free to join and tend to have better hours and service than big banks.

Back when I was looking at new Camaros in 2018, taking the GM financing promo rate would prevent you from getting a $2k discount but idk if that's still the case currently.

There's currently nothing for the car besides the promo APR. I've checked many credit unions and haven't found one better than the GM offered rate.

[cdrptrks]

Originally Posted by Camden45

Yea, I really like cornering like I'm on rails, so I don't think I'd be happy with anything less than something like a PS4S tire. They really did the trim dirty with just a 245 tire.

The stock GOODYEAR EAGLE F1 ASYMMETRIC 3 RUNONFLAT tires are in the same Max Performance Summer category as the PS4S so they probably have similar dry grip but the runflats will have a harsher ride and probably more road noise. I think they did 245 square on the LT1 to enable rotating tires front to back for longer life and drag racers tend to buy a second set of rear wheels with drag radials anyways.

[cdrptrks]

You can compare the SS 1LE's Goodyear Supercar 3 to the Michelin PS4S using Tire Rack's excellent test results. Basically the SC3s are about 3% faster and pull 0.04g more on the skid pad and stop a few feet shorter in the dry. The SC3's gains are not worth the decreased tire life and worse road noise and less starting tread depth unless you participate in track days (which would overheat PS4S) IMO.

https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tests/t...b=ResultCharts

https://m.tirerack.com/tires/tests/t...b=ResultCharts

[Twizzty]

After buying a base Mustang GT last time and trying to make it more than it was...I would go with the SS1LE.

Buy once, cry once.

[Camaro fanboy]

go full fat. you'll regret it a few months after. i would never buy any car base model nowadays. always ended up regreting it afterwards

[Chrome383Z]

GM lowering suspension/sway bars ~2k. Aftermarket wheels/SC3 tires ~4k. Cradle lockout $300. Do that and you’ll have 1LE performance short of the ediff. The differences at that point would be negligible on the street.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by cdrptrks

The stock GOODYEAR EAGLE F1 ASYMMETRIC 3 RUNONFLAT tires are in the same Max Performance Summer category as the PS4S so they probably have similar dry grip but the runflats will have a harsher ride and probably more road noise. I think they did 245 square on the LT1 to enable rotating tires front to back for longer life and drag racers tend to buy a second set of rear wheels with drag radials anyways.

Well, I've had both. The only thing those runflats do fairly well is good dry grip when warm, on perfectly flat blacktop. In every single other scenario, be it lower than ideal temps (cold grip), even slightly wet pavement (wet grip), imperfect roads (noise and ride), you name it, they are at least a class behind the PS4S.

In a downpour they will try to kill you, nastily, suddenly letting go out of the blue even at medium torque or less (unlike, say, a track day tire that signals lack of grip all the time). I drove those runflats through torrential rain and it wasn't nice, ended up doing 30-35 mph in the right lane with my hazards on, still having to fear every large puddle while CR-Vs and the like zoomed by.

Originally Posted by Chrome383Z

GM lowering suspension/sway bars ~2k. Aftermarket wheels/SC3 tires ~4k. Cradle lockout $300. Do that and you’ll have 1LE performance short of the ediff. The differences at that point would be negligible on the street.

As far as I know, the LT1 has really shoddy brakes, so he'd need to upgrade to at least the base SS but preferably the 1LE brakes, another ~2-3k.

[Chrome383Z]

Oh forgot about the brakes

[MSU120]

Originally Posted by arpad_m

This right there makes me say you should buy the 1LE or you'll live with a constant regret. The extra cost you will forget in no time, but the car you'll be looking at several times probably every single day.

Very-very few of us with a V8 Camaro can "fully" use the car's capabilities, and nobody cares, better to have reserves and never use them than not having the capabilities the 0.01% of the time you actually need them

Well said. Get the 1LE.