06-26-2020, 07:28 PM | #15 | |
Drives: 2021 Camaro ZL1 A10 Join Date: May 2013
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For instance with the same level of detail you're demanding, prove him wrong. Not so easy is it? |
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06-26-2020, 07:54 PM | #16 | |
Drives: 2016 1SS A8 Camaro with MRC and NPP Join Date: Oct 2016
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No one owes you line item proof of anything so stop acting like without that their Opinions aren't valid you don't get to create the rules for debate sorry .... lets remember here this is Opinion and not some set in stone fact that everyone must accept because you demanded something that no one owes you and if they don't provide then YOU WIN There is a such thing as Intended Use of the Vehicle ... If you are not going to use some of those NASA grade features you payed extra for and mentioned in regards to the ZL1 then why bother with the extra cost in the first place ... And possibly you do use them all and rely on them as your life blood but other owners could care less and don't want some of the extras so why pay for them and save money for specific modifications that they want for their intended use ... to me that is efficient rather than paying more for some things you may not want or need for the cars intended purpose. In the end there is No Wrong way just what works best for the individual. Don't get me wrong I like the ZL1s and thought about grabbing one when they came out ... but after thinking about how I would use and how I use my boosted 16 SS ... decided not to bother and just keep having fun and modding my SS (which I definitely don't have ZL1 money into btw sorry I know you needs receipts but I don't care lol) . Plus I like to leave the extra $$$$ to buy other cars I mean who wants just one Fun Toy when you can have many. -Jon
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06-26-2020, 09:41 PM | #17 | |
Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS A8 Join Date: Jul 2017
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My car pretty much has all that has value for me out of a ZL1, except small software features that GM in their pettiness left out and made near impossible to retrofit (HUD shift lights, configurable launch control etc.). I think something similar is what OP has in mind, he cares for certain ZL1 aspects and not for others, and his question is where the best balance or tradeoff lies in our opinion.
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06-26-2020, 10:55 PM | #18 | |
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Pray had an m6 bolt on car in the high 10s, then they went fbo with a high ram and otr cai and it went low 10s, probably a hero run but still. It's now a heads cam car and has gone 9.8, and ran repeated 9s.
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06-26-2020, 10:59 PM | #19 | |
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He posted a video not long ago of a heads cam c6 z vs a heads cam lt1 where the camaro won, granted it was an auto. With the right tuner a fbo lt1 can be really fast, and a heads cam car can be a monster. Also a stock 6th gen will walk a bolt on ls3.
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2000 Miata - aventi storm wheels, roll bar.
2019 Mustang GT pp1 - svt pp2 wheels, mbrp cat back, sync 3 upgrade, p1x procharger + stg2 intercooler. 2018 Colorado zr2 - zr2 sport bar, showcase spare tire. 2018 Camaro SS 1LE - GM cai, black bowties, suede knee bolsters, 1le plate frame, black fuel door, dark tails + 3rd brake light, euro side markers + led's, GM all weather floor mats, velossatech big mouth, GM strut brace. 2017 Corvette Grandsport (sold) - untouched. 2006 GTO (sold) - iat relocation, air box mod, monero side marker lights. |
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06-26-2020, 11:05 PM | #20 | |
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Now if you're talking about an lt4 conversion that may be a different story, but you can stay NA and make big power.
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2000 Miata - aventi storm wheels, roll bar.
2019 Mustang GT pp1 - svt pp2 wheels, mbrp cat back, sync 3 upgrade, p1x procharger + stg2 intercooler. 2018 Colorado zr2 - zr2 sport bar, showcase spare tire. 2018 Camaro SS 1LE - GM cai, black bowties, suede knee bolsters, 1le plate frame, black fuel door, dark tails + 3rd brake light, euro side markers + led's, GM all weather floor mats, velossatech big mouth, GM strut brace. 2017 Corvette Grandsport (sold) - untouched. 2006 GTO (sold) - iat relocation, air box mod, monero side marker lights. Last edited by RobbyBeefcake87; 06-26-2020 at 11:19 PM. |
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06-27-2020, 02:04 AM | #21 | |
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Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.
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06-27-2020, 10:21 PM | #22 |
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I went from a bolt on SS to an A10 Zl1 and as great as that car is I got bored with street unusable power and having an automatic. I was sorry I sold my '16 2SS. Since my friend flipped my 5th gen 1LE on a race track I will never use my own car there again.
Now I am in an M6 LT1 and loving it. Low 12s is fast enough to be fun.
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06-28-2020, 01:55 AM | #23 |
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FBO M6 = fun. there is faster, there is better handling, there is better autoX / road race performance. Hard to beat FBO M6 for just toss-ability and relatively low cost fun.
I lost that with FI, one day I may pull the supercharger and for grins see what HP I can make with all ported stock stuff+ low lift cam.
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Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.
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06-28-2020, 08:52 AM | #24 |
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I went from a '16 1ss to an '18 zle. Put a lot of thought into the same dilemma. For me I liked the look of the zl1 more and because I was a 1ss, was missing a lot of the interior features. In the end, test drove one and it was what I was looking for. Personally it made sense for me and decided to go that route before I put any money into mods on the 1ss. Once the warranty is up I'll mod this for around another 100 whp and call it good. Handling wise I dont think there's much more to add to the car so none of that will be touched. Just offering my personal experience and it made sense for me, but I wanted more than just the power, also wanted the elsd, as well as the handling this car brings to the table. Not to say the ss couldn't match it especially being lighter but I wanted something pretty much ready to go out of the box
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06-28-2020, 09:35 AM | #25 |
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amen, it is personal choice based on $$$$ and wants. Clearly the SS currently owned is cheaper, clearly a ZL1 / ZLE is "better" in most ways.
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Forged short block, large duration sub .600 lift Cam Motion cam, 7200 RPM fuel cut, Pray Ported Heads, 3.85 pulley D1X, stage II intercooler, DSX secondary low side, DSX E85 sensor, Lingenfelter big bore 2.0 pump, ported front cats, 60608 Borla, LT4 injectors, ZL1 1LE driveshaft and Katech ported TB, ported MSD intake, BTR valvetrain, ARP studs, ProFlow valves, PS4 tires.
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06-28-2020, 11:19 AM | #26 |
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To me the smartest move if you really want a ZL1 is to buy used.
I had my $70K list A10 ZL1 for a little over 1 year and I think 8K miles. Other than a number of 1/4 miles runs it was as new. I got $51K for it from CarMax. This was $3K more than I could get for it in a trade with a Chevy dealer. I decided to take the Carmax offer and sit on the cash for a while to decide. Then the LT1 came out as the lightest V8 Camaro and the cheapest. Loaded up I paid almost exactly what I paid for my 2011 LS3 Camaro. Amazing deal. My goal is to see if I can get into the 11s with just tires and a Rotofab in my M6 LT1. Given my loaded M6 2SS (sunroof too) was 3,685 pounds with 1/4 tank the LT1 will be under 3,600 lbs. It feels lighter driving it but that might just be the difference coming from the ZL1.
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06-28-2020, 11:39 AM | #27 |
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Bolt on SS will be more fun to drive than the zl1 on the street
I’d only go zl1 if I intended to to track it. IMO the perfect street camaro for weekend fun is a manual ss non 1le with cam/fbo You dont want the handling limits to be so high that you have to drive like a maniac to get your blood flowing. |
06-29-2020, 06:59 AM | #28 | |
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