[DorkMissile]

Originally Posted by Jbanta1983

You make some good points, I got my p1sc, stage 2 cooler, black unit and bracket and red race valve for 6600, just have to do some shopping around. The tune is rich but safe and if this is a car you are just taking out on a Saturday to cruise the p1sc is all you need. Anything more you'll never get traction to lay down that power without radials.

Im near 800whp (has not been on a dyno) and running Bridgestone RE-71s and the car hooks up good

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by ssmofo

How many guys have blowers are out there on 2019 SS ? What did you buy? And why?

We supercharger hundreds of 6th gen Camaros from mild to wild.

There are too many choices to make this an easy decision and anyone who has one will only recommend what they have on their car or what their buddy has.

I would be happy to have a discussion with you over the phone to Custom Fit you with the perfect supercharger system.

We carry all the Major Brands so we are no bias by availability.

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Ted.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by DorkMissile

Im near 800whp (has not been on a dyno) and running Bridgestone RE-71s and the car hooks up good

What does your car trap in the 1/4mi?

[laynlo15]

What Mike said. Dork how are you calculating almost 800 on the street if you haven't been on the dyno? Most can't hook up 600 to 700 and yours hooks with almost 800? Must be a hell of a rear tire. My Camaro made well above that and it was still spinning well past a 100 mph on street tires. Wish I'd have known about those tires, maybe it would have quit spinning before 100 mph

[DorkMissile]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

What does your car trap in the 1/4mi?

Hasn't been to the track on the new configuration yet (went forged internals, cam, headers, and more boost) - but last year on SBE / 9lbs of boost / stock cam / stock manifolds and E85 it would run 11.1s with a 2.1 60' (traction was god awful - even with 555Rs). Covid has had all the tracks in MN and Wi closed.

The setup with lower compression - more cam - more boost really has smoothed out the power delivery. I used to be able to get it rolling but once boost came on at 4000rpm it was all wheel spin in first and second. Only ever saw 1.9s once.

Did a bunch of chassis work too - BMR poly cradle mounts, single adjustable arms, Tilton clutch, etc......

I have 17x10 Street S/S Mickeys too, but run the bridgestones on the 1LE wheels as I do some autocross with the car too. The cornering is pretty much as good as the Supercar F1 3s, but the strait line grip on the RE-71s is pretty damn good for a 200TW tire. It spins - but it doesn't just go up in smoke. But they are better on the street than the 555Rs ever were (and they are a "drag radial" supposedly)

Power wise - it was on the dyno for tuning in March. Previous configuration was 702whp at 6800rpm, this year I was having belt slip issues (it is pulleyed for max effort on the Novi 1500) so it would get to 10lbs of boost at 5500rpm and slip all the way to 6800 (boost wouldn't go up past 5500). Peak that afternoon was at 741hp at 5800rpm. New tensioner, RPM belt and GripTec pulley (took 2 months to get the pulley as they have never made one for the Vortech Camaro kit yet) and we are pumping 195kpa/13lbs at 6700 on my logs.

Tuner had to dial in the tune on the street given we were waiting for the pulley until last minute. Just haven't had time to get it on the dyno. But I have to think we are getting 60-80whp out of 3lbs (being it is E85 and a intercooler)

[DorkMissile]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

What Mike said. Dork how are you calculating almost 800 on the street if you haven't been on the dyno? Most can't hook up 600 to 700 and yours hooks with almost 800? Must be a hell of a rear tire. My Camaro made well above that and it was still spinning well past a 100 mph on street tires. Wish I'd have known about those tires, maybe it would have quit spinning before 100 mph

I think the combination of cam / lower CR / more boost comes on a lot smoother than my previous configuration. I think the centrifugal on the stock cam really made it have a lot of "powerband" in 4000rpm area. I had the car step out on me at over 100mph in 3rd gear under full boost last summer.

Yea - my Mickeys are a dead hook, but if I resist the urge to stomp on it and roll into the gas with a light feather, these tires are pretty decent for a Road Course tire.

I have a friend with a 2015 S550 Auto, has a Gen 2 whipple on it with Gen 3 rotors. Car is verified at 750 wheel. Seen that car step out at 60mph downshifting to second with Street R's on it. That PD blower makes all that boost so hard down low. Comparing my configuration to you guys with PD setups might be apples vs hand grenades. Before 4500 the graphs from last year to this year are near identical (same dyno) but after the lines diverge. Makes more torque at 5400 than it did at 6800 last year.

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by DorkMissile

Power wise - it was on the dyno for tuning in March. Previous configuration was 702whp at 6800rpm, this year I was having belt slip issues (it is pulleyed for max effort on the Novi 1500) so it would get to 10lbs of boost at 5500rpm and slip all the way to 6800 (boost wouldn't go up past 5500). Peak that afternoon was at 741hp at 5800rpm. New tensioner, RPM belt and GripTec pulley (took 2 months to get the pulley as they have never made one for the Vortech Camaro kit yet) and we are pumping 195kpa/13lbs at 6700 on my logs.

I owned a Paxton myself, so I know that ECS themselves had said 800hp capabilty for this kit. We know that their C7 kit, which uses a different drive system, has seen ~900hp with the same Novi 1500SL head unit. So the jackshaft drive system on the Camaro kit is obviously imposing a lower limit than the C7 drive system. Looks to me like your belt slip issues are to be expected when you try to push this drive system. Vortech does now sell a drive system upgrade for the Camaro, looks like more of a conventional setup.

[DorkMissile]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

I owned a Paxton myself, so I know that ECS themselves had said 800hp capabilty for this kit. We know that their C7 kit, which uses a different drive system, has seen ~900hp with the same Novi 1500SL head unit. So the jackshaft drive system on the Camaro kit is obviously imposing a lower limit than the C7 drive system. Looks to me like your belt slip issues are to be expected when you try to push this drive system. Vortech does now sell a drive system upgrade for the Camaro, looks like more of a conventional setup.

Actually the Vortech 10 rib upgrade changes just the front side drive from the cogged belt setup to a 10 rib serpentine belt. Does nothing for the accessory drive side on the jackshaft (you would have to change all the pulleys and balancer to a 10 rib).

They do this on the head units that spin the higher RPMs than the SL units as they use ceramic bearings and the harmonics with the cogged drive can damage the bearings


I am hoping my belt slip situation is as good as it can get with the GripTech pulley (I have the first one they have made for the ECS/Vortech setup. Now that it is on there, I am going to go from a RPM belt to a Green belt as they tend to not stretch as much as the RPM belt

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by DorkMissile

Hasn't been to the track on the new configuration yet (went forged internals, cam, headers, and more boost) - but last year on SBE / 9lbs of boost / stock cam / stock manifolds and E85 it would run 11.1s with a 2.1 60' (traction was god awful - even with 555Rs). Covid has had all the tracks in MN and Wi closed.

The setup with lower compression - more cam - more boost really has smoothed out the power delivery. I used to be able to get it rolling but once boost came on at 4000rpm it was all wheel spin in first and second. Only ever saw 1.9s once.

Did a bunch of chassis work too - BMR poly cradle mounts, single adjustable arms, Tilton clutch, etc......

I have 17x10 Street S/S Mickeys too, but run the bridgestones on the 1LE wheels as I do some autocross with the car too. The cornering is pretty much as good as the Supercar F1 3s, but the strait line grip on the RE-71s is pretty damn good for a 200TW tire. It spins - but it doesn't just go up in smoke. But they are better on the street than the 555Rs ever were (and they are a "drag radial" supposedly)

Power wise - it was on the dyno for tuning in March. Previous configuration was 702whp at 6800rpm, this year I was having belt slip issues (it is pulleyed for max effort on the Novi 1500) so it would get to 10lbs of boost at 5500rpm and slip all the way to 6800 (boost wouldn't go up past 5500). Peak that afternoon was at 741hp at 5800rpm. New tensioner, RPM belt and GripTec pulley (took 2 months to get the pulley as they have never made one for the Vortech Camaro kit yet) and we are pumping 195kpa/13lbs at 6700 on my logs.

Tuner had to dial in the tune on the street given we were waiting for the pulley until last minute. Just haven't had time to get it on the dyno. But I have to think we are getting 60-80whp out of 3lbs (being it is E85 and a intercooler)

What was the trap speed?

[Mister Will]

Originally Posted by DorkMissile

I have the ECS with a Novi 1500 and would also highly recommend it. It has many advantages that I will list below, but I want to explain a little about the P/C marketing.

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For me, you are making a case for Magnusen.

I am familiar with ECS from my C5 corvette days. However, ECS does not make a Smog compliant kit. So I went with their competitor (A&A Corvette), who makes a great kit. However, they do not make a kit for Camaros. I talk with the owner, and he simply said their are no plans for it.

As much as I like Centri supercharger applications. Perhaps a PD like Magnusen is a better application in California.

[DorkMissile]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

What was the trap speed?

at the previous configuration - as high as 129mph

[DorkMissile]

Originally Posted by Mister Will

For me, you are making a case for Magnusen.

I am familiar with ECS from my C5 corvette days. However, ECS does not make a Smog compliant kit. So I went with their competitor (A&A Corvette), who makes a great kit. However, they do not make a kit for Camaros. I talk with the owner, and he simply said their are no plans for it.

As much as I like Centri supercharger applications. Perhaps a PD like Magnusen is a better application in California.

The OP was referencing a ProCharger kit - my points are comparing the ECS to the P/C kit

As far as passing a emissions test, I am dead in the water if they went back to emissions testing here

[DorkMissile]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

What was the trap speed?

Using 130mph, a weight of 4020 (with me in it and 10 gal of fuel) according to the wallace calculator is 680hp. Being the DA was near 3500' that day, it is probably relevant

[Mister Will]

Originally Posted by DorkMissile

The OP was referencing a ProCharger kit - my points are comparing the ECS to the P/C kit

As far as passing a emissions test, I am dead in the water if they went back to emissions testing here

Your points about the Procharger kit were helpful.

Sorry, about the emission issue. Its my worst nightmare when ever considering a mod.