[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

It's true and been documented. You should go 9.60's with the trans tune once you allow the throttle to fully open out the hole and set so it's not pulling -20 degrees on the shifts. And likely another tenth if you remove all torque management and it shifts full torque.

If we are right that would make this build even more incredible and probably one of a kind. Got all winter to figure everything out. Thanks for your input, you know I always appreciate it.

[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by 6spdhyperblue

Good to hear pray has these going. In for your feedback.

I will for sure pass anything along good or bad. I think this will be a great mod that pays off in tenths.

[KingLT1]

Side note, Elite Tuned is now selling unlocked TCM's for the 2020+ A10 cars.

https://elitetuned.com/store/unlocke...-10-speed-tcm/

[SATINSTEEL1LE]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Side note, Elite Tuned is now selling unlocked TCM's for the 2020+ A10 cars.

https://elitetuned.com/store/unlocke...-10-speed-tcm/

Oh snap. GOOD. Under cut Chuck. Hes owned the market for way too long.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Side note, Elite Tuned is now selling unlocked TCM's for the 2020+ A10 cars.

https://elitetuned.com/store/unlocke...-10-speed-tcm/

Great info, thanks King.

[radz28]

There are even more definitions than before, so you can fine-tooth your preferences more than before, too.

I can see how the TQ limits in the T93 were limiting just from Minimum Spark adjustments after seeing more tune files. It's crazy, as already said, how much the behavior of the car is controlled by TQ limits. I remember when I put a big stall converter in my '02 Z28 (Yank SS4000), and without pulling TM, shifts were total sh1t. I'd nearly get thrown into the steering wheel because it would cut power so bad. I could almost feel that with this car, and all that TM, and could definitely see it pull the power after the shift. As with the '02, getting a TCM for this car - was one of the top mods', even if it's might only be worth a couple tenths at the track.

I recall JLSpeed's Pray tune video, and those shifts were C R A Z Y looking. I can't imagine that's good for the slushbox...

[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Side note, Elite Tuned is now selling unlocked TCM's for the 2020+ A10 cars.

https://elitetuned.com/store/unlocke...-10-speed-tcm/

Isn't that Vengeance?

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Isn't that Vengeance?

No, they tune for Vengeance.

[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

No, they tune for Vengeance.

I thought they were related in some manner. I'll check them out, I thing Pray's is about 700 or so on his TCM.

[laynlo15]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Side note, Elite Tuned is now selling unlocked TCM's for the 2020+ A10 cars.

https://elitetuned.com/store/unlocke...-10-speed-tcm/

Both Pray and Elite seem like a good deal to free up some power. Just something I gotta do soon. Even with a stock trans tune its going to be better then what I have. Mine shifts really good and on time with firm shifts so hopefully that can even be improved. Don't like all that shit I hear on some cars making crazy shifts down track and sounds like its slipping. Not for me.

[SATINSTEEL1LE]

Originally Posted by laynlo15

Both Pray and Elite seem like a good deal to free up some power. Just something I gotta do soon. Even with a stock trans tune its going to be better then what I have. Mine shifts really good and on time with firm shifts so hopefully that can even be improved. Don't like all that shit I hear on some cars making crazy shifts down track and sounds like its slipping. Not for me.

I was going to show you this from my log. You can see from the stab, the TCM steps in and closes the throttle for most of 1st gear... This needs to be fixed in the TCM...

You can see where I made the red smiley face the throttle closes then opens back up. Thats the TCM tq management. Commanded throttle pedal at that point through that dip was 99.6%. I was to the wood.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by SATINSTEEL1LE

I was going to show you this from my log. You can see from the stab, the TCM steps in and closes the throttle for most of 1st gear... This needs to be fixed in the TCM...

You can see where I made the red smiley face the throttle closes then opens back up. Thats the TCM tq management. Commanded throttle pedal at that point through that dip was 99.6%. I was to the wood.

Hey SATINSTEEL1LE, do you know if this happens also with the 2021 ten speed with only a 40-50 rwhp increase over the stock LT1 400 rwhp and with a dead hook drag radial.

[SATINSTEEL1LE]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Hey SATINSTEEL1LE, do you know if this happens also with the 2021 ten speed with only a 40-50 rwhp increase over the stock LT1 400 rwhp and with a dead hook drag radial.

Without a tune, yes. You can fight some of that. But when you get to where Im at right around 700, you are really fighting the TCM at that point. Its going to push back and do whatever it can to keep you under those calculated tq limits.

Getting the TCM tuned will cancel all that out. Also the 1-2 and 2-3 cut between shifts. You can see that on the log as well.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Hey SATINSTEEL1LE, do you know if this happens also with the 2021 ten speed with only a 40-50 rwhp increase over the stock LT1 400 rwhp and with a dead hook drag radial.

The TCM has a Torque vs Gear vs RPM table. Stock is set to 800ft lbs. Once you hit that threshold the throttle will not open all the way. That doesn't mean you have to actually make 800ft lbs to hit that threshold. Alot of it will depend on the tune and mods. My guess is you are likely close but all you have to do is log the car and you will know. Some will try to fool the ECU by playing with the torque tables to get around it. Me personally, I prefer to set the torque model higher than what the car actually makes. The car just flat out works better that way but that requires zeroing out that TCM table or else the throttle won't open all the way.