MSD Atomic AirForce for the Camaro (dyno) - Page 4

PRAY · 09-25-2016, 07:34 PM

Ryne/Tim, You guys are actually talking about advancing the cam timing as in Cam Position WOT and/or Intake Cam, Cam Position High/Med/Low Phasing? Or are we talking about Spark timing and the Cam Phaser spark advance? I am assuming the actual cam phasing.

I have a buddy that put on a MSD and says it didn't do anything for his car. He is extremely disappointed. I would like to be able to help him out. Car does seem real weak for his mods.

Do you guys think the cam timing will need to be adjusted on a ported stock intake at all? I know Ryne said it didn't do anything for a stock intake. I just removed a lot of critically restrictive material out of a stock manifold. Just wondering if I should mess with cam phasing when I do my manifold comparison on the dyno soon.

Thanks.

Blacksapphire · 09-25-2016, 08:13 PM

So without a tune power lost in the midrange, and with a tune 20+ hp throughout? This post has me so confused with all the back and forth. I don't want to install it for no reason.

Ryne @ CMS · 09-25-2016, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PRAY

Ryne/Tim, You guys are actually talking about advancing the cam timing as in Cam Position WOT and/or Intake Cam, Cam Position High/Med/Low Phasing? Or are we talking about Spark timing and the Cam Phaser spark advance? I am assuming the actual cam phasing.

I have a buddy that put on a MSD and says it didn't do anything for his car. He is extremely disappointed. I would like to be able to help him out. Car does seem real weak for his mods.

Do you guys think the cam timing will need to be adjusted on a ported stock intake at all? I know Ryne said it didn't do anything for a stock intake. I just removed a lot of critically restrictive material out of a stock manifold. Just wondering if I should mess with cam phasing when I do my manifold comparison on the dyno soon.

Thanks.

Advance the cam timing at wot

JFM-jr · 09-25-2016, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PRAY

Do you guys think the cam timing will need to be adjusted on a ported stock intake at all? .

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PRAY · 09-26-2016, 07:07 PM

Thanks for the answers guys. I appreciate the help.

I will post my own thread when I am done with my intake and TB testing. On my buddies C7 we made 462/450rw IIRC and ran 11.1@125 in decent air with an AFE CAI, my ported TB/Intake, headers and tune. I would like to see 15/20rw with the intake and TB. We will see. I average 13/11rw with my ported LS3 manifolds by themselves. This LT1 intake is way jacked up from the factory. Not to mention the TB.

DisturbedSS · 10-07-2016, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by slo_1ss

Car makes the most power 5200 RPM and above...why buy a sports car to not drive it...

Trust me I agree with that 100%, but refrain mostly because I dont like getting criminal speeding tickets and tend not to drive like a idiot on city streets as, say, another opinionated forum chumboy here who enjoys trolling my posts lately.

5200 RPM at 4th gear gets you damn close to 100MPH on an auto. 1st and 2nd gear, I routinely hit that RPM mark...sometimes 3rd. The freeways here are laser patrolled heavily so that leaves little area to open it up.

All that theory blows - literally - when I get my Magnuson installed next week. I may as well pay all my future court fines upfront. At that point high RPM matters even less and that down low torque is whats relevant where 90% of the fun happens in city confines. My thrills happen on curved tracks, not peddle mashing 1/4 mile runs. At least we have 1 of those here - G-sus, get some more sanctioned tracks here!

btw - you gotta change that profile name... the words "slo-w" and Camaro should never be friends. No one likes my lousy humor

AndyUK · 10-07-2016, 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DisturbedSS

Skill is measured on curved tracks, not peddle mashing 1/4 mile runs..any chumboy can do that.

Or how about people can use their cars for whatever THEY want.
Personally if I ever track my car it will be a real track not quarter mile strip, but thats me, I have absolutely no care if someone else wants to build their car for the strip. The world would be a much more boring place if everyone only liked the same things.

A complete lack of tolerance is exactly what does make this world awful though, congrats on being part of the problem and not the solution.

DisturbedSS · 10-07-2016, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AndyUK

Or how about people can use their cars for whatever THEY want.
Personally if I ever track my car it will be a real track not quarter mile strip, but thats me, I have absolutely no care if someone else wants to build their car for the strip. The world would be a much more boring place if everyone only liked the same things.

A complete lack of tolerance is exactly what does make this world awful though, congrats on being part of the problem and not the solution.

Whatever, responding to the master mechanic of the UK and tsloper posts is pointless. All you guys can do is agree to disagree with anything and everything I write. Waste of time BS. I'll add you to my ignore list.

TSloper · 10-07-2016, 12:39 PM

Awesome! Now back to people that don't want a Camaro that drives like a diesel.

DisturbedSS · 10-07-2016, 12:47 PM

...and dangerous people who dont drive on city streets and in school zones like idiots

*mlee* · 10-07-2016, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DisturbedSS

Whatever, responding to the master mechanic of the UK and tsloper posts is pointless. All you guys can do is agree to disagree with anything and everything I write. Waste of time BS. I'll add you to my ignore list.

I certainly hope you do that.

kropscamaro16 · 10-07-2016, 12:50 PM

lol im still looking at getting one and a tune since i have all my bolt ons now !

DisturbedSS · 10-07-2016, 01:35 PM

Was seriously considering the MSD bolt on prior to making the decision to go F/I on the SS. Even though "No tune required" is marked in bold on the vendor sites, Ive always found mods in general arent 100% useful without tuning to fully utilize them. Youre already in pull and go parts mode..may as well go all the way.

Regardless it seems like a solid add on either way.

09-25-2016, 07:34 PM	#43
PRAY Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sanford NC Posts: 2,766	Ryne/Tim, You guys are actually talking about advancing the cam timing as in Cam Position WOT and/or Intake Cam, Cam Position High/Med/Low Phasing? Or are we talking about Spark timing and the Cam Phaser spark advance? I am assuming the actual cam phasing. I have a buddy that put on a MSD and says it didn't do anything for his car. He is extremely disappointed. I would like to be able to help him out. Car does seem real weak for his mods. Do you guys think the cam timing will need to be adjusted on a ported stock intake at all? I know Ryne said it didn't do anything for a stock intake. I just removed a lot of critically restrictive material out of a stock manifold. Just wondering if I should mess with cam phasing when I do my manifold comparison on the dyno soon. Thanks. __________________ 2016 2SS. H/C SBE 1.37 60ft, 6.36@109.49, 9.97@136+. Nuff Said.

09-26-2016, 07:07 PM	#47
PRAY Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Sanford NC Posts: 2,766	Thanks for the answers guys. I appreciate the help. I will post my own thread when I am done with my intake and TB testing. On my buddies C7 we made 462/450rw IIRC and ran 11.1@125 in decent air with an AFE CAI, my ported TB/Intake, headers and tune. I would like to see 15/20rw with the intake and TB. We will see. I average 13/11rw with my ported LS3 manifolds by themselves. This LT1 intake is way jacked up from the factory. Not to mention the TB. __________________ 2016 2SS. H/C SBE 1.37 60ft, 6.36@109.49, 9.97@136+. Nuff Said. Last edited by PRAY; 09-26-2016 at 07:29 PM.

10-07-2016, 12:50 PM	#54
kropscamaro16 Drives: 2016 1ss camaro Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: 909 Posts: 9,816	lol im still looking at getting one and a tune since i have all my bolt ons now ! __________________ 16 1SS NIGHTFALL GRAY METALLIC WITH NPP #BECAUSERACECAR #SAVETHEMANUALS

09-25-2016, 08:13 PM	#44
Blacksapphire Drives: 2ss/rs 6A Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Posts: 123 View My Garage	So without a tune power lost in the midrange, and with a tune 20+ hp throughout? This post has me so confused with all the back and forth. I don't want to install it for no reason.

10-07-2016, 12:39 PM	#51
TSloper Drives: 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Mount Dora, FL Posts: 779	Awesome! Now back to people that don't want a Camaro that drives like a diesel.

10-07-2016, 12:47 PM	#52
DisturbedSS Drives: 16 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: AZ Posts: 224	...and dangerous people who dont drive on city streets and in school zones like idiots

10-07-2016, 01:35 PM	#55
DisturbedSS Drives: 16 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: AZ Posts: 224	Was seriously considering the MSD bolt on prior to making the decision to go F/I on the SS. Even though "No tune required" is marked in bold on the vendor sites, Ive always found mods in general arent 100% useful without tuning to fully utilize them. Youre already in pull and go parts mode..may as well go all the way. Regardless it seems like a solid add on either way.

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