Homepage Garage Wiki Register Social Groups Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
#Camaro6
Go Back   CAMARO6 > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Forced Induction Discussions


Bigwormgraphix


Post Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 04-06-2021, 08:43 PM   #1
AdzyHany
 
Drives: 2021 camaro ss 1LE
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Canada
Posts: 27
1LE/ZL1 fuel system differences

Hey, I have a 21’ 1LE that I plan to put a Maggie on and I’m looking at making similar power as the ZL1, maybe slightly more. I have read in places that the 1LE might have different fuel system components than the SS? What exactly would I need to upgrade? Also, I’m looking for opinions on piston ring gap (I would rather do water/meth if that alone is safe) thanks!
AdzyHany is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2021, 09:26 PM   #2
Puddin

 
Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 1,011
The 1le share the same fuel pump in the tank as the Zl1 so you'll have to upgrade the High pressure pump and injectors. As far as ring gap I'd talk to an actual engine builder they will be able to sort you out.
Puddin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2021, 05:17 AM   #3
AdzyHany
 
Drives: 2021 camaro ss 1LE
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Canada
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puddin View Post
The 1le share the same fuel pump in the tank as the Zl1 so you'll have to upgrade the High pressure pump and injectors. As far as ring gap I'd talk to an actual engine builder they will be able to sort you out.
Thank you sir
AdzyHany is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2021, 08:46 AM   #4
L78toLT1

 
L78toLT1's Avatar
 
Drives: Hyper Blue 2016 2SS 6M
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: North Ga
Posts: 1,786
If all you're looking for is ZL1 power (~550whp), you can safely get there on the LT1 fuel system & bottom end.
__________________
Baby Blue
2016 Hyper Blue 2SS/6m/MRC/NPP/Silver Rally stripes/ZL1 wheels & brakes/GForce DS and axles/ZLE Cradle Bushings/FE4 ARB front & rear/SEMA Grill/Rotofab dry/95mm TB/Magnuson 2300/Full LT4 fuel system/JMS boost-a-pump/E85 Sensor/Ported CID heads from LME/Cammotion PD cam/Thompson Motorsports forged shortblock/catted Kooks 1 7/8 headers /JRE remote tuned
L78toLT1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2021, 10:23 AM   #5
AdzyHany
 
Drives: 2021 camaro ss 1LE
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Canada
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by L78toLT1 View Post
If all you're looking for is ZL1 power (~550whp), you can safely get there on the LT1 fuel system & bottom end.
I never really researched it but for some reason I was thinking they would hit close to 600whp but that’s not right. I would like to be 600-650whp range
AdzyHany is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2021, 01:07 PM   #6
L78toLT1

 
L78toLT1's Avatar
 
Drives: Hyper Blue 2016 2SS 6M
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: North Ga
Posts: 1,786
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdzyHany View Post
I never really researched it but for some reason I was thinking they would hit close to 600whp but that’s not right. I would like to be 600-650whp range
Stock ZL1's are usually around 550whp. To get to 600 - 650, you will need the LT4 hpfp and injectors.
__________________
Baby Blue
2016 Hyper Blue 2SS/6m/MRC/NPP/Silver Rally stripes/ZL1 wheels & brakes/GForce DS and axles/ZLE Cradle Bushings/FE4 ARB front & rear/SEMA Grill/Rotofab dry/95mm TB/Magnuson 2300/Full LT4 fuel system/JMS boost-a-pump/E85 Sensor/Ported CID heads from LME/Cammotion PD cam/Thompson Motorsports forged shortblock/catted Kooks 1 7/8 headers /JRE remote tuned
L78toLT1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2021, 05:08 PM   #7
AdzyHany
 
Drives: 2021 camaro ss 1LE
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Canada
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by L78toLT1 View Post
Stock ZL1's are usually around 550whp. To get to 600 - 650, you will need the LT4 hpfp and injectors.
Thank you! Any opinion on ring gap?
AdzyHany is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2021, 06:55 PM   #8
Joshinator99


 
Joshinator99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS A8
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Petersham MA
Posts: 4,740
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdzyHany View Post
Thank you! Any opinion on ring gap?
If you add the LT4 fueling, you can add some E into the mix. That will help cool the charge significantly and help prevent an issue with the ring gaps. I know that statement will stir the pot for some, but every single grenaded LT1 stock short block I’ve seen was due to a fuel or tuning issue. Every time, without fail. Fuel it right and you’ve done yourself a huge favor.
__________________
2017 Chevy Camaro 2SS A8 Whipple 3.0, Mast Black Label heads, Fore triple in-tank pumps, 112mm TB, LPE +52% injectors, LPE BB HPFP, 15” conversion 1059 WHP/944 WTQ, 9.48@150
Joshinator99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2021, 07:16 PM   #9
Puddin

 
Drives: 2016 Camaro 2SS
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 1,011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshinator99 View Post
If you add the LT4 fueling, you can add some E into the mix. That will help cool the charge significantly and help prevent an issue with the ring gaps. I know that statement will stir the pot for some, but every single grenaded LT1 stock short block I’ve seen was due to a fuel or tuning issue. Every time, without fail. Fuel it right and you’ve done yourself a huge favor.
Yeah it's usually when they band-aid it with meth because they don't want to spend the money.
Puddin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2021, 07:21 PM   #10
Eldi Z

 
Drives: 17' 1SS 1LE GBA-Black
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: TLV
Posts: 810
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshinator99 View Post
If you add the LT4 fueling, you can add some E into the mix. That will help cool the charge significantly and help prevent an issue with the ring gaps. I know that statement will stir the pot for some, but every single grenaded LT1 stock short block I’ve seen was due to a fuel or tuning issue. Every time, without fail. Fuel it right and you’ve done yourself a huge favor.
Can you safely get away without Meth also for little above ZL1 power levels (~570-580 WHP) on a SBE LT1 using the LT4 fueling with standard 93 off the pump?

*Pulley size targeting no more than ~ 7-8 PSI boost?
Eldi Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-07-2021, 08:06 PM   #11
Joshinator99


 
Joshinator99's Avatar
 
Drives: 2017 Camaro 2SS A8
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Petersham MA
Posts: 4,740
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puddin View Post
Yeah it's usually when they band-aid it with meth because they don't want to spend the money.
Exactly. The distribution is too uneven and meth alone doesn’t pull enough heat out of the chamber. IMO.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eldi Z View Post
Can you safely get away without Meth also for little above ZL1 power levels (~570-580 WHP) on a SBE LT1 using the LT4 fueling with standard 93 off the pump?

*Pulley size targeting no more than ~ 7-8 PSI boost?
Sure, but I’d use a 50/50 water/meth mix instead of just meth. You’ll only need 6-7 psi of boost to get to that power level anyway, so not much heat there thankfully.
__________________
2017 Chevy Camaro 2SS A8 Whipple 3.0, Mast Black Label heads, Fore triple in-tank pumps, 112mm TB, LPE +52% injectors, LPE BB HPFP, 15” conversion 1059 WHP/944 WTQ, 9.48@150
Joshinator99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2021, 09:58 AM   #12
JANNETTYRACING

 
JANNETTYRACING's Avatar
 
Drives: BLUE CAMARO ZL1 1LE M6
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT.
Posts: 15,223
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdzyHany View Post
Hey, I have a 21’ 1LE that I plan to put a Maggie on and I’m looking at making similar power as the ZL1, maybe slightly more. I have read in places that the 1LE might have different fuel system components than the SS? What exactly would I need to upgrade? Also, I’m looking for opinions on piston ring gap (I would rather do water/meth if that alone is safe) thanks!
Hello and welcome to Camaro6 family.

I offer complete power packages to meet your goals

Our Street brawler package features supercharger, cold air kit,LT headers JRE custom tuning for up to 580 RWHP max

Add our LT4 fuel system upgrade for up to 615 on 93 octane.

Ring gaps are a non issue if tuning and fuel systems are correct.

We have Many cars with totally stock long blocks plus our Terminator cam and blower on E-60 making 750 RWHP reliably for years now.
__________________
www.jannettyracing.com
Celebrating 37 years Performance parts, Installation, Fabrication, Dyno tuning, Remote custom tuning, and alignments. 203-753-7223 Waterbury CT. 06705
email tedj@jannettyracing.com
JANNETTYRACING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-08-2021, 02:01 PM   #13
AdzyHany
 
Drives: 2021 camaro ss 1LE
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Canada
Posts: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Joshinator99 View Post
If you add the LT4 fueling, you can add some E into the mix. That will help cool the charge significantly and help prevent an issue with the ring gaps. I know that statement will stir the pot for some, but every single grenaded LT1 stock short block I’ve seen was due to a fuel or tuning issue. Every time, without fail. Fuel it right and you’ve done yourself a huge favor.
I’m up in Canada and we don’t have E. My only real option is 93 or 94 with water/meth
AdzyHany is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-09-2021, 07:41 AM   #14
JANNETTYRACING

 
JANNETTYRACING's Avatar
 
Drives: BLUE CAMARO ZL1 1LE M6
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: ON THE DYNO WATERBURY CT.
Posts: 15,223
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdzyHany View Post
I’m up in Canada and we don’t have E. My only real option is 93 or 94 with water/meth
You do not need water meth and I strongly recommend against it.
__________________
www.jannettyracing.com
Celebrating 37 years Performance parts, Installation, Fabrication, Dyno tuning, Remote custom tuning, and alignments. 203-753-7223 Waterbury CT. 06705
email tedj@jannettyracing.com
JANNETTYRACING is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Post Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.