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How about a M6 LT1?. It is pretty analog and sounds like music to my ears with NPP and a Rotofab. As for speed I have owned an a Gen 5 SS1LE M6 twin Turbo and an A10 ZL1. If I had bought a ZL1 with a M6 I would still have it. But for a reasonable price I can add 25-30 HP without LTs and have an 11 second LT1 Camaro. Really unless you drag race or compete somehow compete with your car, isn't an 11 second car fun and safe on the street? What happened with BlaqWhole?
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05-17-2022, 03:09 PM | #8668 |
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Just sold a 2021 CFTP GT500 and am waiting for a 2022 ZL1 1LE which is in transit. The GT500 was an extremely fast car that handled okay for how much it weighed. I would say that it is a much better car than the 2020 Redeye Widebody we sold as the Challenger cannot put any power to the street in stock form. The Challenger was a much more comfortable car than the GT500 too. The worst part of the Challenger was the transmission which was pretty quirky and slow.
The worst part of the GT500 was the size of the gas tank which necessitated stopping at the gas station a lot. It was actually kinda inconvenient because you always needed to know where they sold 93 octane. The GT500 really wakes up in Sport or Track mode as the shift points make a huge difference. I am expecting the ZL1 1LE to have a less than optimal seating position but I also expect it to be somewhat quicker on the street over both the GT500 and Redeye. |
05-17-2022, 04:17 PM | #8669 | |
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Not gonna rehash the usual bones about tires, suspension, visibility etc., just wanted to say this: I quite like the seating position in the 6th gen Camaro, the car envelopes you instead of feeling like you're sitting on top of a stool within.
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05-18-2022, 05:33 AM | #8670 | |
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I came from a Hellcat to ZL1(both auto) to Redeye to now a GT500. Curious - Why the switch? Were you just getting bored and regularly switch cars; or, are you planning on regularly tracking the ZLE? Have you driven a Camaro/ZL1 or are you taking a leap of faith? The ZL1 is quicker off the line on the street or maybe a real slow roll but once the GT500 get in its powerband it's game over in a straight-line. There IS a sizeable difference in acceleration stock vs stock. Other than feeling like you're sitting in a bathtub, the ZL1 seating position is fine and the seats are more comfortable than the GT500 Recaros; however, they don't recline hardly at all without taking them out and modifying them. The cramped small feeling interior and tank like visibility was probably my largest gripe with the Camaro/ZL1. Agree about the GT500 small gas-tank but it works for me as a 4th car I dont daily. The DCT is awesome especially shifting manually via the paddles but not the best for daily driving in traffic.
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05-18-2022, 06:35 AM | #8671 | |
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05-18-2022, 07:12 AM | #8672 | |
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I'd say the camaro Recaros are more comfortable than the GT500's Recaros but not MUCH more, unless you're a large person. The GT500's do hold you better in the turns. The GT500 non Recaros are as comfortable as the camaros if not more so. The fact you can barely recline the camaro seats was a major negative for me. I found the leather seats in the Hellcat to be the most comfortable out of these 3 cars. Again all subjective.
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05-18-2022, 07:16 AM | #8673 |
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No I don't. I prefer the feeling of seating in a sports car that embraces me than the feeling of seating in a truck.
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05-18-2022, 09:37 AM | #8674 | |
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05-18-2022, 10:41 PM | #8675 |
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^This, I loved my GT350s (when they weren’t in the dealer service bay) but the seating position was too high and very annoying. A complaint shared by many, bummer they didn’t do anything about it for the GT500.
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05-19-2022, 07:02 AM | #8676 |
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No complaint by me. I'm not bothered it at all actually
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Biggest disappointments with the Bullitt? Hated the transmission and the seating position. The seating position was too high. Allowed for way too much perceived body roll The seating position of the GT350 was quite a bit lower, but not as low as my Camaro. Provided for much better dynamic driving feel. I felt engaged in every movement the car made. I was driving it, not just sitting in it as with the Bullitt.
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BTW, sounds like you got a bad ass job!! haha
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So, to answer your question, I think that the level of body roll I perceive in the Camaro is closer to what the car actually exhibits. My point of connection is at or below the center of gravity. In my mind I think that means my body movement is more directly connected to the car movement. Last point I’ll make in trying to explain the difference. In the Bullitt, turn the steering wheel, car turns in response. Visually no discernible shift in vertical balance of the car (hood doesn’t dip lower in the direction I’m turning). That’s a good thing. A split second later, my shoulders and upper body lean a bit in the opposite direction of the steering wheel input. THAT SUCKS! That does not happen in the GT350 or my Camaro.
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05-20-2022, 12:30 AM | #8680 |
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Well that’s obviously good for you and good for me that I like the ZL1s lower seat height. Nothing wrong with that. Just sharing my opinion I had from my GT350(s) ownership experience and similar M6G comments about the topic. I actually looked into seeing if it could be modified to be lowered more.
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