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05-21-2022, 04:09 PM | #8682 |
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Recent review of the GT500 and ZL1 reiterating similar opinions about both cars brought up in this thread
https://youtu.be/DJTKxwd4Foo
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05-23-2022, 11:22 AM | #8683 |
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Without reading 8600 posts, I would have thought the Gt500 would be considerably faster
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05-23-2022, 11:52 AM | #8684 |
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And in fact it's not faster. Ford didn't even have the guts to take the GT500 to "the Ring". To put it simple, whether we like it or not, this is where the performance of fast cars is measured. In fact Ford didn't have the guts to take any of their cars to "the Ring". They rely solely on the posts of some anonymous YouTubers.
So the ZL1 officially still remains the supercar killer.
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05-23-2022, 12:15 PM | #8685 |
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Continuing with my thinly based views, it's my understanding, based on another thread here, that the GT500 OEM blower is a 2650. If that's true, it should be faster.
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05-23-2022, 12:49 PM | #8686 | |
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I'm talking in-gear "sotp" feel. GT500 is a little over a second faster 60-130 and 100-150 is 3 sec faster than the ZL1 A10.
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05-24-2022, 02:55 AM | #8687 |
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Instead of posting biased opinions ("my car is always better") I personally prefer facts. There is already an older thread that gives a lot of insight at our very own forum:
https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=569999 Also there are several reviews like this one (covered in the above thread): https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-car-showdown/ The ZL1 accelerates faster, is faster on the track, stops better, turns better, handles better and is an overall better value for money. Admittedly the Mustang attracts the lights because they have invested heavily in Marketing. However, the Camaro is the most rewarding and confidence-inspiring to drive and this comes out in most reviews.
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05-24-2022, 07:52 AM | #8688 | |
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BTW the GT500 0-60 is as fast or faster on a prepped track with street tires. Ive seen as low as 1.6-1.7 60ft's for the GT500 which is what my Tesla 3 performance does (my tesla 0-60 is 3.1). From your Car and Driver link: "By 100 mph, though, the Ford is quicker than the Chevy by 0.3 second, and by 160 mph, it's more than five seconds quicker. Its 132-mph trap speed in the quarter is ample proof of the Mustang's power." TBH I could care less about most the stuff/stats you've posting personally. If the ZL1 was the better car FOR/TO ME I would have kept it and saved money or sold my GT500 and went back... BTW - Ive never once said the GT500 is better than the ZL1, Ive been saying its better FOR ME. I agree the ZL1 is the better overall bargain especially considering the ridiculous ADM the GT500 has been selling for since it's release. Comparing MSRP to MSRP the difference doesn't seem as great, considering you get the DCT, hand built motor and much larger blower in the Shelby. My opinions are not biased and I am not brand loyal in any way. I can appreciate performance no matter the manufacturer. This is a Camaro forum and camaro biased opinions here is to be expected which is fine. I'd even greatly consider buying a ZL1 manual convertible in the future. Top down elevates the cramped low visibility issue for me. The ZL1 may stop shorter but it certainly doesn't feel that way behind the wheel (compared to the standard ZL1, I've never driven the ZLE) The ZL1 may turn better but isn't a difference I can clearly tell on the back roads I drive on. Both handle amazing and have very high limits, I dont come close to pushing these cars to their limits on public roads. I dont track my cars either. 60+ highway acceleration isn't close, the GT500 is faster, period; a metric I do care about. It wouldn't take much for the ZL1 to be as fast as the GT500 in a straight line, but you'd have to forego warranty to get there, something I'm not willing to do. Something tells me you've never driven a GT500 and can only post stats on paper Put the Car and Driver down and go thoroughly drive one and you'll see the GT500 attributes aren't only "marketing".
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05-24-2022, 09:19 AM | #8689 |
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All good. Enjoy the car mate
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05-24-2022, 05:13 PM | #8690 | |
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Also, about the 160 mph time: I have a theory that the LT4 starts to heat soak and pull quite a bit of timing after about 12 sec. of continuous WOT due to the slightly compromised intercooler HEX positioning, so after about 130-135 mph on a stock car, the acceleration curve really falls off. The Predator doesn't have that same issue, so it continues to pull hard much longer than the LT4. If a run starts later, say at 60-70+ mph, the ZL1 will likely hang longer and the differential won't be as great.
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05-25-2022, 12:19 PM | #8691 | |
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The LT4 may have that design flaw slowing it down on long pulls but the 60-130 is about a second slower as well, not a huge difference, but not exactly hanging imo. I suppose if the ZL1 got a jump it would appear to hang for a bit. I just dont think the power is there. The lighter C7Z06 isn't quite as fast as the GT500 from a roll either BTW - Sorry if I am coming off as jerky, this is for discussion purposes. I will say the ZL1 has a huge advantage when in comes to fixing a major powertrain issue when modded out of warranty compared to the crazy expensive GT500 powertrain.
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Your Plaid will embarrass just about anything gas powered even with a passenger or two. Enjoy. You may get bored with the GT500.
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05-25-2022, 12:59 PM | #8693 | |
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No plans on selling the GT500. I need my noise as well, we'll see lol!!
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Problem solved!
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