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naws · 03-17-2018, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pro-tuned

I was able to stop in and check on the build. The engine was still un-assembled sorry I didn’t have a bore gauge to check the bore but based on what I saw you draw your own conclusion. I am seeing enough evidence of rocking. The below pics show both sides of the same piston.

How many miles were on that build at this point?

Pro-tuned · 03-17-2018, 12:04 PM

Strictly a drift car not driven on the street. 1 season tear down.

https://youtu.be/Pqd0H4OyFIY

naws · 03-17-2018, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pro-tuned

Strictly a drift car not driven on the street. 1 season tear down.

https://youtu.be/Pqd0H4OyFIY

That run looked awesome! Was the car NA?

Only 1 season and pistons looked like that.. Did you end up putting it back together like it was with fresh pistons or put in longer sleeves, shorter stroke, or aftermarket block?

GONIF · 03-17-2018, 01:31 PM

IMHO , you should find a sponsor on here that is some what close to you and has experience in building a 416 to suit your needs . It is going to be expensive any way you cut it , so you may as well get it done right by a real pro with a lot of experience and an outstanding reputation.

Bo White · 03-17-2018, 01:36 PM

Texas Speed and Peformance

naws · 03-17-2018, 02:07 PM

I've looked at TSP. I may go that route but either way I'm on the fence on if i get a forged 376/377 or 416..

I'm in Canada so dealing with the border makes it more difficult to purchase in the US.

2010reddevil · 03-17-2018, 09:55 PM

Well going a bit bigger only costs a bit more. More is always better. Those cubes will help generate a good amount more tq and that's definitely what these car's need.

hammdo · 03-17-2018, 10:13 PM

GPI did my 416 stroker. ADM is another excellent option...

I have 2500 miles on mine and 2 track days so far, 500 mike break-in, then GPI sent me out to race!

-Don

Pro-tuned · 03-17-2018, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by naws

That run looked awesome! Was the car NA?

Only 1 season and pistons looked like that.. Did you end up putting it back together like it was with fresh pistons or put in longer sleeves, shorter stroke, or aftermarket block?

Thank you for your comments I will pass this on and yes the car is sponsored. It’s a challenge to get a large car like a Camaro to drift properly.
The car is forced induction with a 4ltr whipple with overdrive. It uses Texas Speed for “some” of the setup. Keep in mind this is severe duty most guys won’t experience constant elevated RPMs. IMHO this is to be expected. It’s a gamble but can you stroke?absolutely!
I’d like to add I am not a drift guy but personal preference would be to use a sleeved, iron, or tall deck block in stroked applications.

christianchevell · 03-18-2018, 10:25 AM

I have like 15k on my 428, pistons skirts are coated the shortness of the pistons and its special features made for a stroked engine by racetec racetecpistons.com/ best I could find former owner of JE;( largest maker of pistons in the world by far), block clearanced for the connecting rods bolts etc and the sleeves which on a ls3 block extend out of the casting clearanced a little also I believe, I got it from SAG performance/ custom engine supply ; Jerry the machinist on Ebay is how I finally tracked down the engine I wanted, oh and I use Driven racing ls30 oil daily and BR30 for break in.

I expect the stroker to last as long as a stock block but expect some mild piston wear and the difference between a 416-428 stroke so small but, I understand so many considerations back when they first made any LS engine there were people slapping pistons not made for it into them because they had the crank and rods ..... A good way to screw up a good thing; and impatience does not do well with development of the right parts, and BTW I used Molnar rods and crank since they make the best also really being others named stuff..like Callies or etc..... The pistons will "rock" at the very end of the long stroke out , good pistons for strokers vary but should be with a good crown and short skirts and short sides really with reinforced good lands.....

Blueovalman · 03-18-2018, 08:44 PM

From what I have seen over time depending on your use the 416 ci. will show more wear and burn oil.

big hammer · 03-18-2018, 08:54 PM

Because the stroke pushes the limits of the cylinders, the quality of the work is paramount. If they get built on the loose side you’re gonna have a bad time

03-17-2018, 12:04 PM	#16
Pro-tuned Angewendet Ingenieur Drives: 14 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: USA Posts: 401	Strictly a drift car not driven on the street. 1 season tear down. https://youtu.be/Pqd0H4OyFIY __________________ ———— LQ9, Iron Block, Forged internals, 408CI, Jannetty custom cam, TS short block, Whipple, Hardened Jackshaft, PRC 260, 2X3 Dynatech Full Competition, HF Cats, CAI, NW 103, Chee, ID 1300, COPO Breather, MSD, Fore Dual Pump, ultratorque, E85, dual Meth, True Trac, 3:45, 1500hp axle-shafts, DSS CF, BMR, custom Pearl/Candy paint by Jaidah.

03-17-2018, 01:31 PM	#18
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	IMHO , you should find a sponsor on here that is some what close to you and has experience in building a 416 to suit your needs . It is going to be expensive any way you cut it , so you may as well get it done right by a real pro with a lot of experience and an outstanding reputation. __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW

03-17-2018, 01:36 PM	#19
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	Texas Speed and Peformance __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

03-17-2018, 09:55 PM	#21
2010reddevil Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Victory Red 6M Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Gulf Coast, TX Posts: 1,424	Well going a bit bigger only costs a bit more. More is always better. Those cubes will help generate a good amount more tq and that's definitely what these car's need. __________________ 2011 2SS 6A Red Jewel Metallic, Vararam Tune CAI, Magnaflow 3" Competition c/b, Speed Engineering 1-7/8 LT's, Circle D 5C, M/T 275/40R20 S/S, HPTuners tune by Ryan@GPI 12.3 @ 112 ACM as of 12/22/19 Gone on 12/28/19 R I P 2010 2SS 6M Victory Red/Black (old ride) CAI intake, Speed Engineering 1 7/8" LT's, X4 base tune, Flowmaster Outlaw axle-back. 12.6 @ 115 SAR as of 9/19/15 Gone but never forgotten.

03-17-2018, 10:13 PM	#22
hammdo 'It's an experiment' Drives: [COTW 2/09/15] '11 GPI LSA SC Z/LE Join Date: May 2014 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 8,694 View My Garage	GPI did my 416 stroker. ADM is another excellent option... I have 2500 miles on mine and 2 track days so far, 500 mike break-in, then GPI sent me out to race! -Don __________________ 747 RWHP 794 RWTQ "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races." - Enzo Ferrari See My Build: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=385577

03-17-2018, 02:07 PM	#20
naws Drives: 1969 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Vancouver Posts: 15	I've looked at TSP. I may go that route but either way I'm on the fence on if i get a forged 376/377 or 416.. I'm in Canada so dealing with the border makes it more difficult to purchase in the US.

03-18-2018, 10:25 AM	#24
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,587 View My Garage	I have like 15k on my 428, pistons skirts are coated the shortness of the pistons and its special features made for a stroked engine by racetec racetecpistons.com/ best I could find former owner of JE;( largest maker of pistons in the world by far), block clearanced for the connecting rods bolts etc and the sleeves which on a ls3 block extend out of the casting clearanced a little also I believe, I got it from SAG performance/ custom engine supply ; Jerry the machinist on Ebay is how I finally tracked down the engine I wanted, oh and I use Driven racing ls30 oil daily and BR30 for break in. I expect the stroker to last as long as a stock block but expect some mild piston wear and the difference between a 416-428 stroke so small but, I understand so many considerations back when they first made any LS engine there were people slapping pistons not made for it into them because they had the crank and rods ..... A good way to screw up a good thing; and impatience does not do well with development of the right parts, and BTW I used Molnar rods and crank since they make the best also really being others named stuff..like Callies or etc..... The pistons will "rock" at the very end of the long stroke out , good pistons for strokers vary but should be with a good crown and short skirts and short sides really with reinforced good lands..... __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

03-18-2018, 08:44 PM	#25
Blueovalman Drives: 2012 V6 Camaro 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Tampa,Florida Posts: 601	From what I have seen over time depending on your use the 416 ci. will show more wear and burn oil. __________________ Mr. Clean

03-18-2018, 08:54 PM	#26
big hammer Drives: 2002 ws6 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: manitoba Posts: 1,202	Because the stroke pushes the limits of the cylinders, the quality of the work is paramount. If they get built on the loose side you’re gonna have a bad time __________________ Bolt on 2002 ls1 Trans am--- 11.5 @ 121 (1.72) 2000 da